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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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bkismat wrote:Magigi wrote:masukuma wrote:masukuma wrote:callaspade wrote:masukuma wrote:as I said... tackling tackling tackling.... what is wrong with these players? .....pengine walienda maombolezi,the boys always look n become tired when nz makes the first try.....it's all in the mind ,I must say Treu is working on creativity better than Friday ....it will soon come together this is my analysis (2 cents) 1. we lack ball carriers when it comes to contact play. Horace can do it but he has become too big. the rest of them don't seem to know how to break a defense. ukiona mtu akienda kwa contact halafu afunge breaks akiweka ball kwa tumbo na kichwa iko chini - amekosa ideas. 2. we lack a play maker. I guess this is what Biko should be doing but he is not- we need a person with vision and awareness. unaitisha ball and your players know that they have been summoned coz you have seen something - hata kama ball inarudi nyuma. 3. we really need to tackle. clubs in Nairobi that give the bulk of our players don't tackle vizuri. these fast bodies may shine on the rest of the teams hapa but when you meet low centre of gravity people like fijians, you are in trouble. I didn't see the match but can someone tell me which of the above cost us? ...None of your scrappy analysis...In the last 22 seconds we had possession of the ball...and then Injera , I think got mad and ran with the ball towards Wales side...not sure what he wanted to do...only to lose possession... How have you been Bwana @Masukuma? Just watched the highlight. It was very very strange. The commentator claimed that Kenya snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. He was Probably still celebrating his ascension to 3rd highest scorer in IRB history. It must have been a heck of a party 
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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The team will continue struggling for the following reasons;
1. As Masukuma said, it has no playmaker. There is no one in the current team who replaces Humphrey Kayange. I have watched several matches where the ball was passed to Biko Adema when a player ran out of options, but Biko cannot and will not ride tackles. Additionally, he is too short to muster the body positional dummy.
2. Willy Ambaka's sensional wing play has not yet been replaced. Injera who was king of wing play has now lost his pace and is to be seen trying to take more responsibility and play make when he cant. His positioning on the pitch suggest that he is confused on whether to play wing or play make through the middle.
3. Ball handling. Kenya's ball handling in the final third of the pitch has been horrible in the last 4 or so tournaments. To stand a chance against the top six teams, Kenya's ball handling has to be beyond reproach.
4. Making contact instead of passing. Kenya's sevens team has historically been a passing and hard running team. Friday changed all that by having the players bulk up and learn how to ride tackles. However this year, some players are looking weaker than least season and its possible that the gym work is no longer as effective as last season's. This year's vintage might be better served by a running game.
5. Tackling. No need to elaborate but you know something is wrong when you see the team relying on Biko to make key tackles. Oscar Ouma has been particularly disappointing in this respect.
6. A lot of raw talent without leadership. In Ombachi, Tioni, Billy Odhiambo and Oscar Ayodi, the team has some promising future stars. However, the leadership needed to provide the base on which the youngsters can be blooded is missing. Perhaps Kayange should come back as captain for one more year. I see Ombachi as the leader of the next generation.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/13/2010 Posts: 160 Location: rift Valley-Naks
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accelriskconsult wrote:The team will continue struggling for the following reasons;
1. As Masukuma said, it has no playmaker. There is no one in the current team who replaces Humphrey Kayange. I have watched several matches where the ball was passed to Biko Adema when a player ran out of options, but Biko cannot and will not ride tackles. Additionally, he is too short to muster the body positional dummy.
2. Willy Ambaka's sensional wing play has not yet been replaced. Injera who was king of wing play has now lost his pace and is to be seen trying to take more responsibility and play make when he cant. His positioning on the pitch suggest that he is confused on whether to play wing or play make through the middle.
3. Ball handling. Kenya's ball handling in the final third of the pitch has been horrible in the last 4 or so tournaments. To stand a chance against the top six teams, Kenya's ball handling has to be beyond reproach.
4. Making contact instead of passing. Kenya's sevens team has historically been a passing and hard running team. Friday changed all that by having the players bulk up and learn how to ride tackles. However this year, some players are looking weaker than least season and its possible that the gym work is no longer as effective as last season's. This year's vintage might be better served by a running game.
5. Tackling. No need to elaborate but you know something is wrong when you see the team relying on Biko to make key tackles. Oscar Ouma has been particularly disappointing in this respect.
6. A lot of raw talent without leadership. In Ombachi, Tioni, Billy Odhiambo and Oscar Ayodi, the team has some promising future stars. However, the leadership needed to provide the base on which the youngsters can be blooded is missing. Perhaps Kayange should come back as captain for one more year. I see Ombachi as the leader of the next generation. I think Treu idea is to model Injera to become a play maker similar to Cecil Africa or Branco du preez.Don't you think it may be too early to conclude that Injera cannot take up that role. Going by the way he has improved on his kicking there is room for improvement.There is also the fact that Injera is the very experienced and there are more fast players coming into the team who can play at wing. The only way K7s can create depth is by trying out different players which is what Treu is doing.Have u realized that there is a new player on every leg plus look at the way he's using his bench.Unlike in the past where Keys players would not be rested,nowadays every player has a chance to play and show case his skills.Its a painful experience but one that has to be taken otherwise we risk not creating enough depth. ''i can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies,but not the madness of people''-Isaac Newton
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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tkzee wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:The team will continue struggling for the following reasons;
1. As Masukuma said, it has no playmaker. There is no one in the current team who replaces Humphrey Kayange. I have watched several matches where the ball was passed to Biko Adema when a player ran out of options, but Biko cannot and will not ride tackles. Additionally, he is too short to muster the body positional dummy.
2. Willy Ambaka's sensional wing play has not yet been replaced. Injera who was king of wing play has now lost his pace and is to be seen trying to take more responsibility and play make when he cant. His positioning on the pitch suggest that he is confused on whether to play wing or play make through the middle.
3. Ball handling. Kenya's ball handling in the final third of the pitch has been horrible in the last 4 or so tournaments. To stand a chance against the top six teams, Kenya's ball handling has to be beyond reproach.
4. Making contact instead of passing. Kenya's sevens team has historically been a passing and hard running team. Friday changed all that by having the players bulk up and learn how to ride tackles. However this year, some players are looking weaker than least season and its possible that the gym work is no longer as effective as last season's. This year's vintage might be better served by a running game.
5. Tackling. No need to elaborate but you know something is wrong when you see the team relying on Biko to make key tackles. Oscar Ouma has been particularly disappointing in this respect.
6. A lot of raw talent without leadership. In Ombachi, Tioni, Billy Odhiambo and Oscar Ayodi, the team has some promising future stars. However, the leadership needed to provide the base on which the youngsters can be blooded is missing. Perhaps Kayange should come back as captain for one more year. I see Ombachi as the leader of the next generation. I think Treu idea is to model Injera to become a play maker similar to Cecil Africa or Branco du preez.Don't you think it may be too early to conclude that Injera cannot take up that role. Going by the way he has improved on his kicking there is room for improvement.There is also the fact that Injera is the very experienced and there are more fast players coming into the team who can play at wing. The only way K7s can create depth is by trying out different players which is what Treu is doing.Have u realized that there is a new player on every leg plus look at the way he's using his bench.Unlike in the past where Keys players would not be rested,nowadays every player has a chance to play and show case his skills.Its a painful experience but one that has to be taken otherwise we risk not creating enough depth. I understand your argument and agree that Kenya needed to build a bigger pool of players beyond the core team. But Injera can be shifted to a forward attacking role rather than as a playmaker where I think he will continue struggling. Justin Geldud has seamlessly stepped from the junior boks into that role for SA and I think that Treu must look to the younger more versatile players among his squad albeit with Kayange stepping in even if its once in a while.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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accelriskconsult wrote:tkzee wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:The team will continue struggling for the following reasons;
1. As Masukuma said, it has no playmaker. There is no one in the current team who replaces Humphrey Kayange. I have watched several matches where the ball was passed to Biko Adema when a player ran out of options, but Biko cannot and will not ride tackles. Additionally, he is too short to muster the body positional dummy.
2. Willy Ambaka's sensional wing play has not yet been replaced. Injera who was king of wing play has now lost his pace and is to be seen trying to take more responsibility and play make when he cant. His positioning on the pitch suggest that he is confused on whether to play wing or play make through the middle.
3. Ball handling. Kenya's ball handling in the final third of the pitch has been horrible in the last 4 or so tournaments. To stand a chance against the top six teams, Kenya's ball handling has to be beyond reproach.
4. Making contact instead of passing. Kenya's sevens team has historically been a passing and hard running team. Friday changed all that by having the players bulk up and learn how to ride tackles. However this year, some players are looking weaker than least season and its possible that the gym work is no longer as effective as last season's. This year's vintage might be better served by a running game.
5. Tackling. No need to elaborate but you know something is wrong when you see the team relying on Biko to make key tackles. Oscar Ouma has been particularly disappointing in this respect.
6. A lot of raw talent without leadership. In Ombachi, Tioni, Billy Odhiambo and Oscar Ayodi, the team has some promising future stars. However, the leadership needed to provide the base on which the youngsters can be blooded is missing. Perhaps Kayange should come back as captain for one more year. I see Ombachi as the leader of the next generation. I think Treu idea is to model Injera to become a play maker similar to Cecil Africa or Branco du preez.Don't you think it may be too early to conclude that Injera cannot take up that role. Going by the way he has improved on his kicking there is room for improvement.There is also the fact that Injera is the very experienced and there are more fast players coming into the team who can play at wing. The only way K7s can create depth is by trying out different players which is what Treu is doing.Have u realized that there is a new player on every leg plus look at the way he's using his bench.Unlike in the past where Keys players would not be rested,nowadays every player has a chance to play and show case his skills.Its a painful experience but one that has to be taken otherwise we risk not creating enough depth. I understand your argument and agree that Kenya needed to build a bigger pool of players beyond the core team. But Injera can be shifted to a forward attacking role rather than as a playmaker where I think he will continue struggling. Justin Geldud has seamlessly stepped from the junior boks into that role for SA and I think that Treu must look to the younger more versatile players among his squad albeit with Kayange stepping in even if its once in a while. What people don't understand is that half backs are people laden with ideas! cheeky confident persons!! people with a lot of indirect vision! playing mos of the game with the ball in two hands e.t.c. good half-backs can see two/three phases ahead and engineer each contact situation. I am not saying wingers cannot be half backs but that papa locole is not a good candidate. Have you noticed how well Fiji play on contact? big men take in a man or two and off load. They also counter ruck most of our rucks and win them. we still have some ground to cover. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/13/2010 Posts: 160 Location: rift Valley-Naks
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accelriskconsult wrote:tkzee wrote:[quote=accelriskconsult]The team will continue
I think Treu idea is to model Injera to become a play maker similar to Cecil Africa or Branco du preez.Don't you think it may be too early to conclude that Injera cannot take up that role. Going by the way he has improved on his kicking there is room for improvement.There is also the fact that Injera is the very experienced and there are more fast players coming into the team who can play at wing.
The only way K7s can create depth is by trying out different players which is what Treu is doing.Have u realized that there is a new player on every leg plus look at the way he's using his bench.Unlike in the past where Keys players would not be rested,nowadays every player has a chance to play and show case his skills.Its a painful experience but one that has to be taken otherwise we risk not creating enough depth.
I understand your argument and agree that Kenya needed to build a bigger pool of players beyond the core team. But Injera can be shifted to a forward attacking role rather than as a playmaker where I think he will continue struggling. Justin Geldud has seamlessly stepped from the junior boks into that role for SA and I think that Treu must look to the younger more versatile players among his squad albeit with Kayange stepping in even if its once in a while. What makes you think he cannot be a play maker?as far as I am concerned whether playing @ wing or no.9 it requires the same skill set.He's a very intelligent player and I believe he'll cope up with the challenges. As for Kayange, I agree with you that he can mentor the team as well as play whenever he's available. Although I know Treu would prefer to use players he has worked with rather than those who have a challenge with availability. ''i can calculate the motion of heavenly bodies,but not the madness of people''-Isaac Newton
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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tkzee wrote:accelriskconsult wrote:tkzee wrote:[quote=accelriskconsult]The team will continue
I think Treu idea is to model Injera to become a play maker similar to Cecil Africa or Branco du preez.Don't you think it may be too early to conclude that Injera cannot take up that role. Going by the way he has improved on his kicking there is room for improvement.There is also the fact that Injera is the very experienced and there are more fast players coming into the team who can play at wing.
The only way K7s can create depth is by trying out different players which is what Treu is doing.Have u realized that there is a new player on every leg plus look at the way he's using his bench.Unlike in the past where Keys players would not be rested,nowadays every player has a chance to play and show case his skills.Its a painful experience but one that has to be taken otherwise we risk not creating enough depth.
I understand your argument and agree that Kenya needed to build a bigger pool of players beyond the core team. But Injera can be shifted to a forward attacking role rather than as a playmaker where I think he will continue struggling. Justin Geldud has seamlessly stepped from the junior boks into that role for SA and I think that Treu must look to the younger more versatile players among his squad albeit with Kayange stepping in even if its once in a while. What makes you think he cannot be a play maker?as far as I am concerned whether playing @ wing or no.9 it requires the same skill set.He's a very intelligent player and I believe he'll cope up with the challenges. As for Kayange, I agree with you that he can mentor the team as well as play whenever he's available. Although I know Treu would prefer to use players he has worked with rather than those who have a challenge with availability. Wingers tend to master the side step in addition to natural speed but play makers must be agile, have an eye for the pass, side step, the dummy, kicking and must really be like middle distance runners. constant tempo, and not necessary a lot of speed. It could take as much as 2 seasons for Injera to fully adapt and two years is a long time for a team struggling to maintain its core team status. Its easier to nurture the young talent. Playing centrally, Injera loses the ball too much to be an effective playmaker. Case in point the game against Wales last week and the group game against Argentina in the previous tournament.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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Masukuma, you have explained it better than I could. What Injera lacks is the vision and you cant really train that.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/11/2008 Posts: 401
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The reality is that Injera has lost his speed and Treu is trying to transition him to be a play maker like Tomasi Cama. This is akin to teaching a right handed person to write with his left hand.
If you listened to yesterday's morning interview on KTN, Benjamin Ayimba said that the reason that Khayange does not play is because he does not agree with Treu's methods and I can't say I blame him. Ayimba also said that the technical bench is a bunch of overpaid underachievers who need to be shown the door.
What say you?
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/3/2014 Posts: 131
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theman192000 wrote:The reality is that Injera has lost his speed and Treu is trying to transition him to be a play maker like Tomasi Cama. This is akin to teaching a right handed person to write with his left hand.
If you listened to yesterday's morning interview on KTN, Benjamin Ayimba said that the reason that Khayange does not play is because he does not agree with Treu's methods and I can't say I blame him. Ayimba also said that the technical bench is a bunch of overpaid underachievers who need to be shown the door.
What say you?
But why is he trying to teach an old dog new tricks, he should bring back Humphrey. The absence of Humphrey and Willy 'Lomu' is been felt in the team. The only Oscar I have noticed is Ayodi since Ouma has been a mediocre ths season...Sikuta has potential for contact game but has to work a lot espcially on his tackling. He should bring back Humphrey as he buys time to develop one of the young lads into a Tomasi Cama... What about Ayange? IMITATION IS LIMITATION
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