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SHOCO
#1 Posted : Sunday, March 30, 2014 6:32:43 PM
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Some things need to be ironed out from the previous thread.


In Quran Sura Maidah chapter 5:32: If anyone kills any other human being (whether Muslim or non-Muslim), unless it is for murder or for spreading corruption in the land, it is as though he has killed the whole of humanity.

AlphaDoti,
The message on this verse only applies to children of Israel and doesn't apply to muslims.The verse reads:

Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land -
it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly
come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

Most imams interpret this verse to mean believers(muslims) must not murder believers(fellow muslims).





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AlphDoti needs to be engaged. He's already said that the Muslim is being oppressed. Could it be true? Can we assure Muslim freedom?
Can the Muslim allow freedom to the Christian?



Makaburi stated there is no democracy in Islam ,there is only sharia law.Can freedom and sharia mix?Shame on you


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Islam was birthed with the physical destruction then prohibition of christianity in the middle east. The 1st so called caliphate. Woe.

Then Islam went on to destroy the Eastern 'christian' empire. The so called 2nd caliphate. Woe.


Add the Indian Empire to the hit list.


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"Fight in the Way of God against those who fight you, but do not go beyond the limits. God does not love those who go beyond the limits." {Quran 2:190]

"Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression." [Quran 2:193]

"To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid; "
[Quran 22:39]

the repayment for an injury is an injury equal therto in degree: but if a person forgives and makes reconcilation, his reward is due from God: for God loves not those who do wrong.
[Quran 42:40]


Mtu BIz,

What Guru267 and AlphaDoti, gave is only half of the story.What they did not tell you is these verses were later abrogated(nullified) by subsequent messages which came to the Prophet later in life .

The verses became:

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every
stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful. quran 9:35

Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred;
that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard Quran 9:36



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@mawinder we had this discussion already in the Westgate discussion. So grow out of this mentality and understand that not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims.



All Muslims are obliged to leave according to the ideals of the Prophet Muhammad .He is the best example for humanity according to Islam.He's to be emulated by all muslims.Every action under taken by a Muslim has this under riding factor,




Read his biography:
Quote:
https://ia600404.us.archive.org/32/items/Sirat-lifeOfMuhammadBy-ibnIshaq/SiratIbnIahaqInEnglish.pdf


Mukiri
#2 Posted : Monday, March 31, 2014 1:19:23 AM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
@Shoco, Let me be the first to welcome you. In the wake of recent attacks temperatures have been abit high against muslims. Two have already earned the nick-names @terrorist and @alshaboobs. But let not that derail you.

This thread is most welcome. Last time we had something similar, I personally, learned alot. It was unfortunate that @Madam Admin didn't let it run for long.

On to your post
SHOCO wrote:
AlphaDoti,
The message on this verse only applies to children of Israel and doesn't apply to muslims.

Mtu BIz,

What Guru267 and AlphaDoti, gave is only half of the story.What they did not tell you is these verses were later abrogated(nullified) by subsequent messages which came to the Prophet later in life .


It comes as no surprise that these two have been getting their religion wrong. They seem to spend most of their time on the Bible trying to critique it. They will also learn from you.
SHOCO wrote:

In Quran Sura Maidah chapter 5:32: If anyone kills any other human being (whether Muslim or non-Muslim), unless it is for murder or for spreading corruption in the land, it is as though he has killed the whole of humanity.

Quote:
Islam was birthed with the physical destruction then prohibition of christianity in the middle east. The 1st so called caliphate. Woe.

Then Islam went on to destroy the Eastern 'christian' empire. The so called 2nd caliphate. Woe.


Add the Indian Empire to the hit list.


Quote:

"Fight in the Way of God against those who fight you, but do not go beyond the limits. God does not love those who go beyond the limits." {Quran 2:190]

"Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression." [Quran 2:193]

"To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid; "
[Quran 22:39]

the repayment for an injury is an injury equal therto in degree: but if a person forgives and makes reconcilation, his reward is due from God: for God loves not those who do wrong.
[Quran 42:40]


The verses became:

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every
stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful. quran 9:35

Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred;
that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard Quran 9:36

I had asked this question before. Did Allah create everyone? If so, why is Islam so full of permission to kill? Doesn't it say anywhere that, it is His role?
SHOCO wrote:

All Muslims are obliged to leave according to the ideals of the Prophet Muhammad .He is the best example for humanity according to Islam.He's to be emulated by all muslims.Every action under taken by a Muslim has this under riding factor,

Read his biography:
Quote:
https://ia600404.us.archive.org/32/items/Sirat-lifeOfMuhammadBy-ibnIshaq/SiratIbnIahaqInEnglish.pdf


And finally, does obligation to live like Muhammad include 'being nice'(He was recognized as a your prophet because he was nice, isn't it?)? And what transpired to turn Mr nice guy into a fighter and killer himself? (I assume it was his change in attitude that made him rally people into these killings, in his Qu'ran). Must muslims marry an older woman and thereafter an under-age girl like him?

Proverbs 19:21
tycho
#3 Posted : Monday, March 31, 2014 5:19:31 AM
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Posts: 8,804
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To understand any religion one must stop identifying himself with his religion and identify with Man through time.

Religions will come and go as long as Man exists, and what's needed is an understanding of religious patterns.

To understand Islam we must not only understand Christianity and the religions that came before, but we must also understand the 'coming' religion that will help secure humanity in the twenty first century.


alma
#4 Posted : Monday, March 31, 2014 8:02:34 AM
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Joined: 7/20/2007
Posts: 4,432
Can we seriously stop these religious threads popping up.

It seems now we have people who have met Jesus and Muhammed over the weekend and want to use this forum as their home.

Anyone who believes his religion is better than the other should start acting like it instead of opening up threads saying my shlong is longer than yours.

Shame on you Shame on you
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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