Some things need to be ironed out from the previous thread.
In Quran Sura Maidah chapter 5:32: If anyone kills any other human being (whether Muslim or non-Muslim), unless it is for murder or for spreading corruption in the land, it is as though he has killed the whole of humanity.
AlphaDoti,
The message on this verse only applies to children of Israel and doesn't apply to muslims.The verse reads:
Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land -
it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly
come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.
Most imams interpret this verse to mean believers(muslims) must not murder believers(fellow muslims).
Quote:AlphDoti needs to be engaged. He's already said that the Muslim is being oppressed. Could it be true? Can we assure Muslim freedom?
Can the Muslim allow freedom to the Christian?
Makaburi stated there is no democracy in Islam ,there is only sharia law.Can freedom and sharia mix?
Quote:Islam was birthed with the physical destruction then prohibition of christianity in the middle east. The 1st so called caliphate. Woe.
Then Islam went on to destroy the Eastern 'christian' empire. The so called 2nd caliphate. Woe.
Add the Indian Empire to the hit list.
Quote:
"Fight in the Way of God against those who fight you, but do not go beyond the limits. God does not love those who go beyond the limits." {Quran 2:190]
"Let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression." [Quran 2:193]
"To those against whom war is made, permission is given (to fight), because they are wronged;- and verily, Allah is most powerful for their aid; "
[Quran 22:39]
the repayment for an injury is an injury equal therto in degree: but if a person forgives and makes reconcilation, his reward is due from God: for God loves not those who do wrong.
[Quran 42:40]
Mtu BIz,
What Guru267 and AlphaDoti, gave is only half of the story.What they did not tell you is these verses were later
abrogated(nullified) by subsequent messages which came to the Prophet later in life .
The verses became:
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every
stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful. quran 9:35
Surely the number of months with Allah is twelve months in Allah's ordinance since the day when He created the heavens and the earth, of these four being sacred;
that is the right reckoning; therefore be not unjust to yourselves regarding them, and fight the polytheists all together as they fight you all together; and know that Allah is with those who guard Quran 9:36
Quote:@mawinder we had this discussion already in the Westgate discussion. So grow out of this mentality and understand that not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims.
All Muslims are obliged to leave according to the ideals of the Prophet Muhammad .He is the best example for humanity according to Islam.He's to be emulated by all muslims.Every action under taken by a Muslim has this under riding factor,
Read his biography:
Quote:https://ia600404.us.archive.org/32/items/Sirat-lifeOfMuhammadBy-ibnIshaq/SiratIbnIahaqInEnglish.pdf