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Kratos wrote:guru267 wrote:Even the same Jesus (as) you quote will come back and wield a sword to slaughter the Anti Christ... I don't see any turning of the cheek or loving enemies there! Which bible is that? Matthew 10:34-35Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring but a swordRevelations 19:11-15And now I saw heaven open, and a white horse with a rider appeared...... his cloak was soaked in blood..... From his mouth came a sword to strike the pagans with...... Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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guru267 wrote:Kratos wrote:guru267 wrote:Even the same Jesus (as) you quote will come back and wield a sword to slaughter the Anti Christ... I don't see any turning of the cheek or loving enemies there! Which bible is that? Matthew 10:34-35Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring but a swordRevelations 19:11-15And now I saw heaven open, and a white horse with a rider appeared...... his cloak was soaked in blood..... From his mouth came a sword to strike the pagans with...... I guess you have no idea that the bible has a lot of figurative speech and language which Christians don't take literally. “People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:My God tells us to turn the other cheek, to love our enemies et al He doesn't need us to 'protect' Him, He's great all by Himself. Oh yeah... Is your God not the God of David (as) or the God of Samson, or the God of Moses (as) or the God of Joshua?? Did any of these servants turn their cheek?? Slaughtering others in the name of God did not begin with Muhammad (saw)! Even the same Jesus (as) you quote will come back and wield a sword to slaughter the Anti Christ... I don't see any turning of the cheek or loving enemies there! And here I thought we both believe in the Old Testament... you want me to dig up your post? Jesus Christ was called Saviour because He came to die, that we should not perish. To do away with all the wanton human waste. He took it upon Himself. It was Him that said to love your enemies, turn the other cheek, to do good to those that persecute you...The New Testament. Your mohamed (the anti-christ) came bearing even more war cries, so it seems. From your post above, it seems you are totally sold out for war?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:My God tells us to turn the other cheek, to love our enemies et al He doesn't need us to 'protect' Him, He's great all by Himself. Oh yeah... Is your God not the God of David (as) or the God of Samson, or the God of Moses (as) or the God of Joshua?? Did any of these servants turn their cheek?? Slaughtering others in the name of God did not begin with Muhammad (saw)! Even the same Jesus (as) you quote will come back and wield a sword to slaughter the Anti Christ... I don't see any turning of the cheek or loving enemies there! And here I thought we both believe in the Old Testament... you want me to dig up your post? Jesus Christ was called Saviour because He came to die, that we should not perish. To do away with all the wanton human waste. He took it upon Himself. The New Testament. Your mohamed (the anti-christ) came bearing even more war cries, so it seems. From your post above, it seems you are totally sold out for war? I am not out for war with anyone neither am I the one threatening people's places of worship! Abraham (as), David (as), Joshua (as), Moses (as) and Muhammad (saw) all killed innocent people in the name of God sadly! 1. Did the innocent Egyptian first borns have to die to free the Israelites?? 2. Did Joshua have to kill the whole of the innocent women and children in Jericho?? 3. What happened to all the people Abraham found in Canaan?? So do not blame the Qur'an just because the 21st century terror just happens to be mainly people calling themselves Muslims But I am curious... Do you guys honestly think Jesus (as) will be dancing and singing hymns with the Anti Christ when he returns according to what you believe?? Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Mukiri wrote:My God tells us to turn the other cheek, to love our enemies et al He doesn't need us to 'protect' Him, He's great all by Himself. Oh yeah... Is your God not the God of David (as) or the God of Samson, or the God of Moses (as) or the God of Joshua?? Did any of these servants turn their cheek?? Slaughtering others in the name of God did not begin with Muhammad (saw)! Even the same Jesus (as) you quote will come back and wield a sword to slaughter the Anti Christ... I don't see any turning of the cheek or loving enemies there! And here I thought we both believe in the Old Testament... you want me to dig up your post? Jesus Christ was called Saviour because He came to die, that we should not perish. To do away with all the wanton human waste. He took it upon Himself. The New Testament. Your mohamed (the anti-christ) came bearing even more war cries, so it seems. From your post above, it seems you are totally sold out for war? I am not out for war with anyone neither am I the one threatening people's places of worship! Abraham (as), David (as), Joshua (as), Moses (as) and Muhammad (saw) all killed innocent people in the name of God sadly! 1. Did the innocent Egyptian first borns have to die to free the Israelites?? 2. Did Joshua have to kill the whole of the innocent women and children in Jericho?? 3. What happened to all the people Abraham found in Canaan?? So do not blame the Qur'an just because the 21st century terror just happens to be mainly people calling themselves Muslims But I am curious... Do you guys honestly think Jesus (as) will be dancing and singing hymns with the Anti Christ when he returns according to what you believe?? Madam, how can we debate on something we BOTH agree on? Hii ni mara ya pili/tatu!! Let's move away from the old testament and have a decent conversation about where we differ, what terrorists slaughter innocent people on Mohamed(the dreamer of your Qu'ran) and Jesus Christ(whose life and works are embodied in the New Testament). By the way, who, from your Qu'ran, made the muslims and who made Christians and who made other religions?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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guru267 wrote:Kratos wrote:guru267 wrote:Even the same Jesus (as) you quote will come back and wield a sword to slaughter the Anti Christ... I don't see any turning of the cheek or loving enemies there! Which bible is that? Matthew 10:34-35Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring but a swordRevelations 19:11-15And now I saw heaven open, and a white horse with a rider appeared...... his cloak was soaked in blood..... From his mouth came a sword to strike the pagans with...... Our Father who art in heaven Glory be your name Your kingdom come YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN Madam, your people now seek to play God? Taking away what they cannot give? And our dreamer wrote a book to give them reason? A commandment doth exist. Thou shall not kill. It doesn't say, Thou shall not kill unless.... Infact Jesus negated 'An eye for an eye' commanding us to turn the other cheek. Madam, it would do you well to migrate to Christianity. His yolk is light... give Him your bitterness, anger, combativeness, murderousness and pick up His
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Kratos wrote:guru267 wrote:Even the same Jesus (as) you quote will come back and wield a sword to slaughter the Anti Christ... I don't see any turning of the cheek or loving enemies there! Which bible is that? Matthew 10:34-35Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring but a swordRevelations 19:11-15And now I saw heaven open, and a white horse with a rider appeared...... his cloak was soaked in blood..... From his mouth came a sword to strike the pagans with...... Our Father who art in heaven Glory be your name Your kingdom come YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN Madam, your people now seek to play God? Taking away what they cannot give? And our dreamer wrote a book to give them reason? A commandment doth exist. Thou shall not kill. It doesn't say, Thou shall not kill unless.... Infact Jesus negated 'An eye for an eye' commanding us to turn the other cheek. Madam, it would do you well to migrate to Christianity. His yolk is light... give Him your bitterness, anger, combativeness, murderousness and pick up His @Mukiri what you have quoted above comes from Exodus Chapter 20 verses 1-7. What @guru has quoted is both from old testament and new testament. You are contradicting yourself. You fail to realize that you're not reading the Bible. See what Jesus says: Jesus Christ (pbuh) said in Gospel of Matthew 5:17-20 " Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets." 19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, ...he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. That means you cannot break one jot from the law. That is what or Jesus (pbuh) says Now you say you want to move away from the old testament. Where does it say you should abandon the law? You're contradicting Jesus (pbuh). So you have to be better than the Jews. You have to follow each and every commandment of Jesus (pbuh). These are the teachings of Jesus Christ! It is plain black and white. Jesus said don't break single jot or tittle from the law. So where is he telling the Jews to break the law? He's not telling them that. He's not giving any indication for the Jews to break the laws of Judaism. He's telling them to obey. It is your understanding of the Bible. Your heart should follow the commandments. Because Jesus Christ (pbuh) said earlier "don't break one single jot or tittle of the commandment" So your heart is in it, then you'll not break a single jot or title, simple explanation.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Kratos wrote:guru267 wrote:Even the same Jesus (as) you quote will come back and wield a sword to slaughter the Anti Christ... I don't see any turning of the cheek or loving enemies there! Which bible is that? Matthew 10:34-35Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring but a swordRevelations 19:11-15And now I saw heaven open, and a white horse with a rider appeared...... his cloak was soaked in blood..... From his mouth came a sword to strike the pagans with... ...Thou shall not kill. It doesn't say, Thou shall not kill unless.... Infact Jesus negated 'An eye for an eye' commanding us to turn the other cheek. Madam, it would do you well to migrate to Christianity. His yolk is light... give Him your bitterness, anger, combativeness, murderousness and pick up His @mukiri, I can see you're quoting the old testament, the ten commandments. Just as Jesus (a.s) said you cannot break one jot from the law. We must follow whole scripture. For example, in the new testament, gospel of Matthew 5:38 says: " It has been said in old times 'an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles." That is it. We are not against that. Jesus did this because people misunderstood the law. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth means there should be some justice. If someone by mistake, a child is playing hockey, and if the ball hits the eye, that doesn't mean you break his eye. People misunderstood the message. He was correcting the misunderstanding. Then you are now misunderstanding the message, saying that he said you don't follow the commandments that came with prophet before him. Where does he say don't follow the laws? What you have to realize that it means by mistake someone hits another and breaks the eye, that does not mean you've to take the eye of the other person. You have to see the meaning of the law. That's what Jesus (as) was trying to explain. Let me ask you a question, will you follow Jesus' law today? If someone slaps you on the cheek will you offer the other? There are many people who are willing to slap, will you do that? Go to one of the street corner and ask people to line up to slap you. I want you to do according to that verse of the Bible. Maybe one or twice you'll offer, will you offer always? Is there any Christian worth the name today will keep on offering his cheek? I have never met anyone like that, do you agree? Twenty million slaps from Kenyans, will you accept? If you are a believer, then you must be able to accept that. Otherwise you are not a believer. You see what you realize is that every messenger and prophet came and gave remedy. Today Muhammad (s.a.w) has come and he says depending upon the situation, it is by mistake, an eye for and eye, a tooth for a tooth is wrong. If it is required sometimes you can offer a cheek, but not always. If you always offer the cheek, where is justice? If that way someone kills you, you allow him to kill again, is this justice? It is not justice at all!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Mukiri wrote:guru267 wrote:Kratos wrote:guru267 wrote:Even the same Jesus (as) you quote will come back and wield a sword to slaughter the Anti Christ... I don't see any turning of the cheek or loving enemies there! Which bible is that? Matthew 10:34-35Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth: it is not peace I have come to bring but a swordRevelations 19:11-15And now I saw heaven open, and a white horse with a rider appeared...... his cloak was soaked in blood..... From his mouth came a sword to strike the pagans with...... Our Father who art in heaven Glory be your name Your kingdom come YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN Madam, your people now seek to play God? Taking away what they cannot give? And our dreamer wrote a book to give them reason? A commandment doth exist. Thou shall not kill. It doesn't say, Thou shall not kill unless.... Infact Jesus negated 'An eye for an eye' commanding us to turn the other cheek. Madam, it would do you well to migrate to Christianity. His yolk is light... give Him your bitterness, anger, combativeness, murderousness and pick up His @Mukiri why are you ignoring Jesus fighting with the Anti Christ?? Why are you denying that he will not turn his other cheek to the Anti Christ?? I forgot that you take Jesus (as) to be God Almighty so I guess "God" will be the one to fight the Anti Christ in the form of the Messiah! Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Kudos to the police for gunning down those two al-shabaab idiots! Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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