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Defeating death
tycho
#91 Posted : Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:25:50 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
What would happen if both knowledge and facts were relative and subjective? And that in such a case, knowledge of facts is possible?




You are late.

Danas and I have already agreed that facts and knowledge are different and that facts are absolutes. We have not left room for speculation.


I think you're both right but that presents a challenge.We can look at the same object from different sides and have facts and knowledge yet they both remain relative and subjective to our respective positions.The absolute would be the object.


Perhaps there's never a same object. What we have are 'similar' subjective experiences.

These similar subjective experiences then form a basis of action, a wall, 'absolute'.
tycho
#92 Posted : Wednesday, March 26, 2014 8:30:22 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
Who can escape life?


You remind me of a haiku.

What are the clouds
but an excuse for the sky?
What is death,
but an escape from life?

P.s. @quicksand, am coming.


Death is something you encounter in life but who has escaped life?


Symbols, 'who' implies 'life'. So you're asking if life can escape from itself. It's not a question that you're asking.

But what is it?

No one can defeat life.


Even God?
symbols
#93 Posted : Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:41:11 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
What would happen if both knowledge and facts were relative and subjective? And that in such a case, knowledge of facts is possible?




You are late.

Danas and I have already agreed that facts and knowledge are different and that facts are absolutes. We have not left room for speculation.


I think you're both right but that presents a challenge.We can look at the same object from different sides and have facts and knowledge yet they both remain relative and subjective to our respective positions.The absolute would be the object.


Perhaps there's never a same object. What we have are 'similar' subjective experiences.

These similar subjective experiences then form a basis of action, a wall, 'absolute'.


But yet there is still an object.
symbols
#94 Posted : Wednesday, March 26, 2014 10:43:27 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
Who can escape life?


You remind me of a haiku.

What are the clouds
but an excuse for the sky?
What is death,
but an escape from life?

P.s. @quicksand, am coming.


Death is something you encounter in life but who has escaped life?


Symbols, 'who' implies 'life'. So you're asking if life can escape from itself. It's not a question that you're asking.

But what is it?

No one can defeat life.


Even God?


Is God life?
tycho
#95 Posted : Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:20:47 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
What would happen if both knowledge and facts were relative and subjective? And that in such a case, knowledge of facts is possible?




You are late.

Danas and I have already agreed that facts and knowledge are different and that facts are absolutes. We have not left room for speculation.


I think you're both right but that presents a challenge.We can look at the same object from different sides and have facts and knowledge yet they both remain relative and subjective to our respective positions.The absolute would be the object.


Perhaps there's never a same object. What we have are 'similar' subjective experiences.

These similar subjective experiences then form a basis of action, a wall, 'absolute'.


But yet there is still an object.


noun
1. anything that is visible or tangible and is
relatively stable in form.
2. a thing, person, or matter to which thought or
action is directed: an object of medical
investigation.
3. the end toward which effort or action is
directed; goal; purpose: Profit is the object of
business.

Meaning number one doesn't apply.
tycho
#96 Posted : Wednesday, March 26, 2014 11:38:25 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
Who can escape life?


You remind me of a haiku.

What are the clouds
but an excuse for the sky?
What is death,
but an escape from life?

P.s. @quicksand, am coming.


Death is something you encounter in life but who has escaped life?


Symbols, 'who' implies 'life'. So you're asking if life can escape from itself. It's not a question that you're asking.

But what is it?

No one can defeat life.


Even God?


Is God life?


God isn't life. He/it is at best an 'optimal' projection of life via the human mind.

Life in itself is unnameable.
symbols
#97 Posted : Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:09:40 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
What would happen if both knowledge and facts were relative and subjective? And that in such a case, knowledge of facts is possible?




You are late.

Danas and I have already agreed that facts and knowledge are different and that facts are absolutes. We have not left room for speculation.


I think you're both right but that presents a challenge.We can look at the same object from different sides and have facts and knowledge yet they both remain relative and subjective to our respective positions.The absolute would be the object.


Perhaps there's never a same object. What we have are 'similar' subjective experiences.

These similar subjective experiences then form a basis of action, a wall, 'absolute'.


But yet there is still an object.


noun
1. anything that is visible or tangible and is
relatively stable in form.
2. a thing, person, or matter to which thought or
action is directed: an object of medical
investigation.
3. the end toward which effort or action is
directed; goal; purpose: Profit is the object of
business.

Meaning number one doesn't apply.


Why doesn't it apply?
symbols
#98 Posted : Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:17:30 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
Who can escape life?


You remind me of a haiku.

What are the clouds
but an excuse for the sky?
What is death,
but an escape from life?

P.s. @quicksand, am coming.


Death is something you encounter in life but who has escaped life?


Symbols, 'who' implies 'life'. So you're asking if life can escape from itself. It's not a question that you're asking.

But what is it?

No one can defeat life.


Even God?


Is God life?


God isn't life. He/it is at best an 'optimal' projection of life via the human mind.

Life in itself is unnameable.


How do we establish if man is projecting or trying to reflect?

Isn't God unnameable?The I Am.
tycho
#99 Posted : Sunday, March 30, 2014 8:54:07 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
What would happen if both knowledge and facts were relative and subjective? And that in such a case, knowledge of facts is possible?




You are late.

Danas and I have already agreed that facts and knowledge are different and that facts are absolutes. We have not left room for speculation.


I think you're both right but that presents a challenge.We can look at the same object from different sides and have facts and knowledge yet they both remain relative and subjective to our respective positions.The absolute would be the object.


Perhaps there's never a same object. What we have are 'similar' subjective experiences.

These similar subjective experiences then form a basis of action, a wall, 'absolute'.


But yet there is still an object.


noun
1. anything that is visible or tangible and is
relatively stable in form.
2. a thing, person, or matter to which thought or
action is directed: an object of medical
investigation.
3. the end toward which effort or action is
directed; goal; purpose: Profit is the object of
business.

Meaning number one doesn't apply.


Why doesn't it apply?


It doesn't apply because perception and knowledge are confronted with multiple dimensions and limited in focus.
tycho
#100 Posted : Sunday, March 30, 2014 8:55:52 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
tycho wrote:
symbols wrote:
Who can escape life?


You remind me of a haiku.

What are the clouds
but an excuse for the sky?
What is death,
but an escape from life?

P.s. @quicksand, am coming.


Death is something you encounter in life but who has escaped life?


Symbols, 'who' implies 'life'. So you're asking if life can escape from itself. It's not a question that you're asking.

But what is it?

No one can defeat life.


Even God?


Is God life?


God isn't life. He/it is at best an 'optimal' projection of life via the human mind.

Life in itself is unnameable.


How do we establish if man is projecting or trying to reflect?

Isn't God unnameable?The I Am.


No. God is the nameable. The I am not.
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