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symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:What would happen if both knowledge and facts were relative and subjective? And that in such a case, knowledge of facts is possible?
You are late. Danas and I have already agreed that facts and knowledge are different and that facts are absolutes. We have not left room for speculation. I think you're both right but that presents a challenge.We can look at the same object from different sides and have facts and knowledge yet they both remain relative and subjective to our respective positions.The absolute would be the object. Perhaps there's never a same object. What we have are 'similar' subjective experiences. These similar subjective experiences then form a basis of action, a wall, 'absolute'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Who can escape life? You remind me of a haiku. What are the clouds but an excuse for the sky? What is death, but an escape from life? P.s. @quicksand, am coming. Death is something you encounter in life but who has escaped life? Symbols, 'who' implies 'life'. So you're asking if life can escape from itself. It's not a question that you're asking. But what is it? No one can defeat life. Even God?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:What would happen if both knowledge and facts were relative and subjective? And that in such a case, knowledge of facts is possible?
You are late. Danas and I have already agreed that facts and knowledge are different and that facts are absolutes. We have not left room for speculation. I think you're both right but that presents a challenge.We can look at the same object from different sides and have facts and knowledge yet they both remain relative and subjective to our respective positions.The absolute would be the object. Perhaps there's never a same object. What we have are 'similar' subjective experiences. These similar subjective experiences then form a basis of action, a wall, 'absolute'. But yet there is still an object.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Who can escape life? You remind me of a haiku. What are the clouds but an excuse for the sky? What is death, but an escape from life? P.s. @quicksand, am coming. Death is something you encounter in life but who has escaped life? Symbols, 'who' implies 'life'. So you're asking if life can escape from itself. It's not a question that you're asking. But what is it? No one can defeat life. Even God? Is God life?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:What would happen if both knowledge and facts were relative and subjective? And that in such a case, knowledge of facts is possible?
You are late. Danas and I have already agreed that facts and knowledge are different and that facts are absolutes. We have not left room for speculation. I think you're both right but that presents a challenge.We can look at the same object from different sides and have facts and knowledge yet they both remain relative and subjective to our respective positions.The absolute would be the object. Perhaps there's never a same object. What we have are 'similar' subjective experiences. These similar subjective experiences then form a basis of action, a wall, 'absolute'. But yet there is still an object. noun 1. anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form. 2. a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed: an object of medical investigation. 3. the end toward which effort or action is directed; goal; purpose: Profit is the object of business. Meaning number one doesn't apply.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Who can escape life? You remind me of a haiku. What are the clouds but an excuse for the sky? What is death, but an escape from life? P.s. @quicksand, am coming. Death is something you encounter in life but who has escaped life? Symbols, 'who' implies 'life'. So you're asking if life can escape from itself. It's not a question that you're asking. But what is it? No one can defeat life. Even God? Is God life? God isn't life. He/it is at best an 'optimal' projection of life via the human mind. Life in itself is unnameable.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:What would happen if both knowledge and facts were relative and subjective? And that in such a case, knowledge of facts is possible?
You are late. Danas and I have already agreed that facts and knowledge are different and that facts are absolutes. We have not left room for speculation. I think you're both right but that presents a challenge.We can look at the same object from different sides and have facts and knowledge yet they both remain relative and subjective to our respective positions.The absolute would be the object. Perhaps there's never a same object. What we have are 'similar' subjective experiences. These similar subjective experiences then form a basis of action, a wall, 'absolute'. But yet there is still an object. noun 1. anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form. 2. a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed: an object of medical investigation. 3. the end toward which effort or action is directed; goal; purpose: Profit is the object of business. Meaning number one doesn't apply. Why doesn't it apply?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Who can escape life? You remind me of a haiku. What are the clouds but an excuse for the sky? What is death, but an escape from life? P.s. @quicksand, am coming. Death is something you encounter in life but who has escaped life? Symbols, 'who' implies 'life'. So you're asking if life can escape from itself. It's not a question that you're asking. But what is it? No one can defeat life. Even God? Is God life? God isn't life. He/it is at best an 'optimal' projection of life via the human mind. Life in itself is unnameable. How do we establish if man is projecting or trying to reflect? Isn't God unnameable?The I Am.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:What would happen if both knowledge and facts were relative and subjective? And that in such a case, knowledge of facts is possible?
You are late. Danas and I have already agreed that facts and knowledge are different and that facts are absolutes. We have not left room for speculation. I think you're both right but that presents a challenge.We can look at the same object from different sides and have facts and knowledge yet they both remain relative and subjective to our respective positions.The absolute would be the object. Perhaps there's never a same object. What we have are 'similar' subjective experiences. These similar subjective experiences then form a basis of action, a wall, 'absolute'. But yet there is still an object. noun 1. anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form. 2. a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed: an object of medical investigation. 3. the end toward which effort or action is directed; goal; purpose: Profit is the object of business. Meaning number one doesn't apply. Why doesn't it apply? It doesn't apply because perception and knowledge are confronted with multiple dimensions and limited in focus.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:symbols wrote:Who can escape life? You remind me of a haiku. What are the clouds but an excuse for the sky? What is death, but an escape from life? P.s. @quicksand, am coming. Death is something you encounter in life but who has escaped life? Symbols, 'who' implies 'life'. So you're asking if life can escape from itself. It's not a question that you're asking. But what is it? No one can defeat life. Even God? Is God life? God isn't life. He/it is at best an 'optimal' projection of life via the human mind. Life in itself is unnameable. How do we establish if man is projecting or trying to reflect? Isn't God unnameable?The I Am. No. God is the nameable. The I am not.
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