Im trying not to shift delete this discussion from my brain...

So @Tycho.. now that it seems you eschew any commitment to any absolutes anywhere including an inability to supply a yes or no answer to anything..how do you go through your typical day ?

You wake up (or maybe you perceive that you are waking up) in the morning and then........?

Walk me through a typical morning where you honestly do not acknowledge any absolutes e.g yourself, gravity, your physical surroundings,your job/business, your landlord etc...

Hapa wazua unatupima tu wazimu.

Imagine waking up to a debate in your mind as to weather you exist or not ?

He heee labda adromeda... hapa duniani vitu ni black or white, yes or no, zero or one, everything else is from the........?

arama ya dukuduku.

@Mtu biz, for a moment I thought your proposed 'truce' would be accompanied by some serious thought from you, but apparently, you're incapable of that. You seem to have been diverted by @kysse's posts, which I can guarantee you are straws.

My response to you is based on three things which I dare you to challenge with your 'worldly'/'earthly' wisdom.

1. A question can't be asked of what is absolutely known. Asking me if there's a question whose details are all known and plain to see is like asking me, if there's a cow with eight legs. You probably don't see anything wrong with your question of false premises though.

2. It slipped your mind that my answer to your question about the cup challenged your 'yes' or 'no' categories by saying that they were equivalent. And indeed I can show that they are not just equivalent but that my answer/reply accords to the true premises of a question - contention, difference in perception, doubt.

3. By not giving a 'yes' or 'no' answer to a false question and by showing you of 'grey' areas doesn't mean that all questions are answered thus.

It's sad, but you're plainly lazy in thought.

Brother, Mtu Biz, let me be an Annan here.

Mtu Biz aim was to get a concession from you that you can agree to or on some obvious point.

Brother's position is that what is obvious is only obvious as informed by earlier acquired knowledge. For example, Cain as a villain or as the hero.

At least I can see that you both have different starting points. This can be your common ground.



The cup (of beverage) was and still is an excellent ice breaker.

I agree with Mtu Biz about absolutes - some things are unchangeable, immutable.

I also agree with brother about interpretation - some things need to be deciphered carefully, things are not what they seem.

I plead. I plead.

Muriel, is the statement that there are absolutes, logical?

I believe it's not. Why? It can't be negated without self contradiction. 'There are no absolutes' is equivalent to 'there are absolutes'. Hence both of these statements are logically useless but useful in a political and ideal sense.

Talk about absolutes is a refusal to talk and coexist due to selfish political interest.

If both statements are useless,then what is your point?