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Defeating death
callaspade
#41 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 4:48:27 PM
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ZZE123 wrote:
tycho wrote:
Just the other day, I saw death. It was a simple affair really, but it has left me a tad angry. Like what's next after conquering death? The answer is 'live'. And this is where my anger rises. I keep forgetting the 'winning formula' and now and then I find myself in the world of the dead.

I was having lunch in a kiosk when one customer complained to the waiter why he had delayed the delivery of 'cabbage saucer'. The waiter gave his apologies, and the customer replied by saying, 'You'll make amends in the evening. I must come'. That's when it occurred to me that if I specialized in killing people with such certainties about time and the future, I'd mostly escape detection. I'd be a mystery. That is, I became death itself.

And to think of why some people are/have been afraid of death! To me, death simply relies on the false belief that energy forms don't transform, and that even these transformation rates don't depend on optimal values and how energy systems conform to these values.

So how to live? The answer is too simple for my liking. It's like I have been 'institutionalized' in death and slavery that I shun my freedom.



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YoungMulla
#42 Posted : Friday, March 21, 2014 5:11:24 PM
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Philosophy
Before I die - i will touch the sky!!
tycho
#43 Posted : Sunday, March 23, 2014 8:57:37 AM
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Mtu Biz wrote:
tycho wrote:
Mtu biz, there's only one destination, and it's the defeat of death. So not talking about death and its defeat, but talking about truth and destination is like hiding a treasure high in the mountain and taking the search party into the plains and making everyone busy searching for what can't be found there.

As for 'the truth'; the truth is 'the way', and it's 'the life'. There are no other ways, there's no other life.

You remind me of my early adolescent years when I was grappling with 'the quest of the historical Jesus'. And now many years later, after searching where I could, I see the historical Christ, the human, the God, as a living metaphor of what was, and is, and will ever be. And even before he was born on earth humans sought the way, and the life. Christ goes beyond Scripture, and all Scripture, is directed to 'him'. The way, and life in flesh. Praxis.


As i wrestle to form a sensible response allow me one question...

If all there is to know about a certain question is plain to see and understand, can you supply a yes or no response to such a question?

For example

Is the cup pictured below black in color?



Yes or No ?

Would you be willing to offer such a response to such a question ?



A question that involves all knowledge about it isn't a question in fact. A question implies imperfect/ incomplete knowledge about something.

As for the cup, both 'Yes' AND 'No' supply equivalent answers.


kysse
#44 Posted : Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:48:25 AM
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tycho wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tycho wrote:
Mtu biz, there's only one destination, and it's the defeat of death. So not talking about death and its defeat, but talking about truth and destination is like hiding a treasure high in the mountain and taking the search party into the plains and making everyone busy searching for what can't be found there.

As for 'the truth'; the truth is 'the way', and it's 'the life'. There are no other ways, there's no other life.

You remind me of my early adolescent years when I was grappling with 'the quest of the historical Jesus'. And now many years later, after searching where I could, I see the historical Christ, the human, the God, as a living metaphor of what was, and is, and will ever be. And even before he was born on earth humans sought the way, and the life. Christ goes beyond Scripture, and all Scripture, is directed to 'him'. The way, and life in flesh. Praxis.


As i wrestle to form a sensible response allow me one question...

If all there is to know about a certain question is plain to see and understand, can you supply a yes or no response to such a question?

For example

Is the cup pictured below black in color?



Yes or No ?

Would you be willing to offer such a response to such a question ?



A question that involves all knowledge about it isn't a question in fact. A question implies imperfect/ incomplete knowledge about something.

As for the cup, both 'Yes' AND 'No' supply equivalent answers.




Tycho Why do you complicate simple things?

Are you hungry? YES/NO
Are you tired? YES/NO
Movie or Music?
I mean some things don't need detailed explanations otherwise you make life very difficult to understand.
tycho
#45 Posted : Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:00:27 AM
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kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tycho wrote:
Mtu biz, there's only one destination, and it's the defeat of death. So not talking about death and its defeat, but talking about truth and destination is like hiding a treasure high in the mountain and taking the search party into the plains and making everyone busy searching for what can't be found there.

As for 'the truth'; the truth is 'the way', and it's 'the life'. There are no other ways, there's no other life.

You remind me of my early adolescent years when I was grappling with 'the quest of the historical Jesus'. And now many years later, after searching where I could, I see the historical Christ, the human, the God, as a living metaphor of what was, and is, and will ever be. And even before he was born on earth humans sought the way, and the life. Christ goes beyond Scripture, and all Scripture, is directed to 'him'. The way, and life in flesh. Praxis.


As i wrestle to form a sensible response allow me one question...

If all there is to know about a certain question is plain to see and understand, can you supply a yes or no response to such a question?

For example

Is the cup pictured below black in color?



Yes or No ?

Would you be willing to offer such a response to such a question ?



A question that involves all knowledge about it isn't a question in fact. A question implies imperfect/ incomplete knowledge about something.

As for the cup, both 'Yes' AND 'No' supply equivalent answers.




Tycho Why do you complicate simple things?

Are you hungry? YES/NO
Are you tired? YES/NO
Movie or Music?
I mean some things don't need detailed explanations otherwise you make life very difficult to understand.


If things were as simple as you say, why would my answers make understanding life difficult?

Plus, I can show you why or how your questions aren't as simple as you suppose.
kysse
#46 Posted : Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:17:41 AM
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tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
Mtu Biz wrote:
tycho wrote:
Mtu biz, there's only one destination, and it's the defeat of death. So not talking about death and its defeat, but talking about truth and destination is like hiding a treasure high in the mountain and taking the search party into the plains and making everyone busy searching for what can't be found there.

As for 'the truth'; the truth is 'the way', and it's 'the life'. There are no other ways, there's no other life.

You remind me of my early adolescent years when I was grappling with 'the quest of the historical Jesus'. And now many years later, after searching where I could, I see the historical Christ, the human, the God, as a living metaphor of what was, and is, and will ever be. And even before he was born on earth humans sought the way, and the life. Christ goes beyond Scripture, and all Scripture, is directed to 'him'. The way, and life in flesh. Praxis.


As i wrestle to form a sensible response allow me one question...

If all there is to know about a certain question is plain to see and understand, can you supply a yes or no response to such a question?

For example

Is the cup pictured below black in color?



Yes or No ?

Would you be willing to offer such a response to such a question ?



A question that involves all knowledge about it isn't a question in fact. A question implies imperfect/ incomplete knowledge about something.

As for the cup, both 'Yes' AND 'No' supply equivalent answers.




Tycho Why do you complicate simple things?

Are you hungry? YES/NO
Are you tired? YES/NO
Movie or Music?
I mean some things don't need detailed explanations otherwise you make life very difficult to understand.


If things were as simple as you say, why would my answers make understanding life difficult?

Plus, I can show you why or how your questions aren't as simple as you suppose.


But You never answer.You only reply.
And the reply is but a question.
In short, your life is full of questions that will never be answered because you do not believe in answers or fullstop.
Don't you ever get dizzy?
tycho
#47 Posted : Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:27:05 AM
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Kysse, please educate me; what's the difference between an 'answer' and a 'reply'? The feeling or the situation of putting matters to rest? Closing an investigation?

To me this is 'simplification' perhaps 'oversimplification'. It's useful, but very briefly. Otherwise there'd be no growth, or history. Among many other things. Even there'd be no 'life'.
kysse
#48 Posted : Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:26:13 PM
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tycho wrote:
Kysse, please educate me; what's the difference between an 'answer' and a 'reply'? The feeling or the situation of putting matters to rest? Closing an investigation? YES.

To me this is 'simplification' perhaps 'oversimplification'. It's useful, but very briefly. Otherwise there'd be no growth, or history. Among many other things. Even there'd be no 'life'.


You respond to a question by giving a reply or an answer.
You Tycho gives replies,not answers.You never close because you love engaging the mind by going on and on and on.
But some of us like doing things fast, so we want clear straight answers and Closures.
Leave complicating questions to historians and NSIS for record keeping because that's what they are paid to do.

Answers produce growth because it's on their basis that decisions are made.decisions which make us develop emotionally,physically,spiritually,economically and socially.
Replies offer no guidance because they don't provide closure.

Finally Answers will make you reach the promised land while replies will make you wander for 40 yrs.
tycho
#49 Posted : Sunday, March 23, 2014 12:59:26 PM
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kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
Kysse, please educate me; what's the difference between an 'answer' and a 'reply'? The feeling or the situation of putting matters to rest? Closing an investigation? YES.

To me this is 'simplification' perhaps 'oversimplification'. It's useful, but very briefly. Otherwise there'd be no growth, or history. Among many other things. Even there'd be no 'life'.


You respond to a question by giving a reply or an answer.
You Tycho gives replies,not answers.You never close because you love engaging the mind by going on and on and on.
But some of us like doing things fast, so we want clear straight answers and Closures.
Leave complicating questions to historians and NSIS for record keeping because that's what they are paid to do.

Answers produce growth because it's on their basis that decisions are made.decisions which make us develop emotionally,physically,spiritually,economically and socially.
Replies offer no guidance because they don't provide closure.

Finally Answers will make you reach the promised land while replies will make you wander for 40 yrs.


Fast 'answers' provide people with opportunities to decide and 'act'. That's true. But action is a 'reply'. At least according to your 'definitions'. An action always elicits another action.

Or would you like to show me an action that 'closes everything'?
kysse
#50 Posted : Sunday, March 23, 2014 1:27:36 PM
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tycho wrote:


Fast 'answers' provide people with opportunities to decide and 'act'. That's true. But action is a 'reply'. At least according to your 'definitions'. An action always elicits another action.

Or would you like to show me an action that 'closes everything'?


Answers >>Decisions>>Actions>>Progress
Replies>>Arguments/Deliberations/Discussions.

So if an action is a reply as you say,then please note that it's a reply to an Answer and not a Reply to a Reply.

An action that closes everything is the action that is based on an Answer.
eg. Is the cup black? Yes!!
The 'YES' is the answer whose resulting action is that of not posting again(CLOSURE).
When you reply, the resulting action is a never ending tread.(NO CLOSURE)


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