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danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:... ignorance to what? I can only guess "to self remembering". Anyway, I will let your type converse. I want to remain on "my" path, the lonesome path of the living, where roses and thorns abide. ps...the living and the dead could share a path...so I make no assumptions  And I, to 'the stony path'. Not mine at all. Others have trod it before, many will come. Along it I build some temporary shelter, to rest my limbs, or pass the night. And can I disregard you, if, we chance to meet? I beseech thee then, that thine stones be ground that thine passage may be calm and when the tire is done on it, you shall trod again for the end never ends. my regard? disregard granted. I find much treasure in your words, and though disregard is granted my love is too deep, to let the moment pass. And bear it lightly, that I bear a sword. So be it that your sword is embraced. And in your moment, your moment of self, I pray thee finds numbness in the treasure of your torment. so let it be that thy sword is drawn, that blood is desired. For even then, the living shall live. True, such prayer of the discerning Strengthens my nerve, and my threshold for pain raises unbound; and as vampiric blood is drawn the living shall abound.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 763 Location: Intersection
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tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:... ignorance to what? I can only guess "to self remembering". Anyway, I will let your type converse. I want to remain on "my" path, the lonesome path of the living, where roses and thorns abide. ps...the living and the dead could share a path...so I make no assumptions And I, to 'the stony path'. Not mine at all. Others have trod it before, many will come. Along it I build some temporary shelter, to rest my limbs, or pass the night. And can I disregard you, if, we chance to meet? I beseech thee then, that thine stones be ground that thine passage may be calm and when the tire is done on it, you shall trod again for the end never ends. my regard? disregard granted. I find much treasure in your words, and though disregard is granted my love is too deep, to let the moment pass. And bear it lightly, that I bear a sword. So be it that your sword is embraced. And in your moment, your moment of self, I pray thee finds numbness in the treasure of your torment. so let it be that thy sword is drawn, that blood is desired. For even then, the living shall live. True, such prayer of the discerning Strengthens my nerve, and my threshold for pain raises unbound; and as vampiric blood is drawn the living shall abound. ...and now in peace I await, the wrath of your disregard. As my blood drips, on your path does it mark, that once I crossed, and I was slain. Wipe thy sword, but throw it not away for the tempt may arise.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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Muriel wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Just the other day, I saw death. It was a simple affair really, but it has left me a tad angry. Like what's next after conquering death? The answer is 'live'. And this is where my anger rises. I keep forgetting the 'winning formula' and now and then I find myself in the world of the dead.
I was having lunch in a kiosk when one customer complained to the waiter why he had delayed the delivery of 'cabbage saucer'. The waiter gave his apologies, and the customer replied by saying, 'You'll make amends in the evening. I must come'. That's when it occurred to me that if I specialized in killing people with such certainties about time and the future, I'd mostly escape detection. I'd be a mystery. That is, I became death itself.
And to think of why some people are/have been afraid of death! To me, death simply relies on the false belief that energy forms don't transform, and that even these transformation rates don't depend on optimal values and how energy systems conform to these values.
So how to live? The answer is too simple for my liking. It's like I have been 'institutionalized' in death and slavery that I shun my freedom.
@Tycho... What is this winning formula you refer to above? In your kiosk experience above.. how is the conversation between the customer and the waiter equal to death or killing people? I see a phrase that says a lot than it seems. ",,,,,,,,,,,,certainties about time and the future," I already know this time and the future. It is certain. Though it tarry, it comes for sure. Life will come. Not death. Death will die. Life will come. Indeed we have been institutionalised in death and slavery that we shun freedom. Freedom is coming by and by, in the future. Not death. A timely outro.I really need to sit.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2010 Posts: 3,505 Location: Uganda
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i thought i got a solution to the thread title but when i saw the contributors i gave up.i can just increase my bonga point counts !!!!!!! i really wish i could understand what these people are talking about. isnt there a plain language they can use to discuss some important life / death issues? punda amecheka
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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newfarer wrote:i thought i got a solution to the thread title but when i saw the contributors i gave up.i can just increase my bonga point counts !!!!!!!
i really wish i could understand what these people are talking about. isnt there a plain language they can use to discuss some important life / death issues? You need appropriate goggles. Where brother talks could be the only place here where people take off their goggles when it is vital they have them. I suspect I know goggles appropriate for you so Let me give you a hint - where is it you have read about death being defeated? Is it in the bible? Now what goggles are fit for you as you read? Is it Freemasonry? Is it Islam? Is it Buddhism? Is it Animism? Is it Atheism? Is it Adventism? Is it Protestantism? Is it Pentecostalism? Is it Catholicism? Is it Hinduism? Is it Going-with-the-flow? Is it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,? Like I said, I suspect I know and I look forward to your unabashed contribution.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Just the other day, I saw death. It was a simple affair really, but it has left me a tad angry. Like what's next after conquering death? The answer is 'live'. And this is where my anger rises. I keep forgetting the 'winning formula' and now and then I find myself in the world of the dead.
I was having lunch in a kiosk when one customer complained to the waiter why he had delayed the delivery of 'cabbage saucer'. The waiter gave his apologies, and the customer replied by saying, 'You'll make amends in the evening. I must come'. That's when it occurred to me that if I specialized in killing people with such certainties about time and the future, I'd mostly escape detection. I'd be a mystery. That is, I became death itself.
And to think of why some people are/have been afraid of death! To me, death simply relies on the false belief that energy forms don't transform, and that even these transformation rates don't depend on optimal values and how energy systems conform to these values.
So how to live? The answer is too simple for my liking. It's like I have been 'institutionalized' in death and slavery that I shun my freedom.
@Tycho... What is this winning formula you refer to above? In your kiosk experience above.. how is the conversation between the customer and the waiter equal to death or killing people? @Mtu biz, I am thankful for your genuine attempt to understand me and to engage me. Helping me to reason and find truth, in love, is feeding and clothing me. The 'winning formula' is one that keeps my mind, my aspiration and action firmly on 'heaven'. In Christ's terms, it's about negating my earthly self and bearing my cross daily and following him. The conversation in the kiosk prompted a thought/thoughts that showed for example, the case of the 'rich fool' and many other similar thoughts. Tycho.. allow me to briefly step out of the 'Death' conversation if you will. From your posts you seem not to have arrived at any destination as far as 'Truth' is concerned. You are on a journey and every path is as valid as the next in your quest in my observation... I have also seen that you quote the bible and Jesus the Christ as one of many sources of knowledge or Truth. In many ways you are like these guys who Paul met in Athens... i quote Quote:Acts 17:16-34
16 While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols. 17 So he reasoned in the synagogue with both Jews and God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there. 18 A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to debate with him. Some of them asked, “What is this babbler trying to say?” Others remarked, “He seems to be advocating foreign gods.” They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection. 19 Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, “May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? 20 You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we would like to know what they mean.” 21 (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)
22 Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. 23 For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship—and this is what I am going to proclaim to you. Is it plausible in your analysis, that there is only 1 Way 1 Truth 1 Life ? Jesus the Christ as revealed in scripture made claims about himself no one has ever made and stood by those claims in word and in deed. It is not possible to lay claim to his way truth and life concurrently with other ways and truths.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu biz, there's only one destination, and it's the defeat of death. So not talking about death and its defeat, but talking about truth and destination is like hiding a treasure high in the mountain and taking the search party into the plains and making everyone busy searching for what can't be found there.
As for 'the truth'; the truth is 'the way', and it's 'the life'. There are no other ways, there's no other life.
You remind me of my early adolescent years when I was grappling with 'the quest of the historical Jesus'. And now many years later, after searching where I could, I see the historical Christ, the human, the God, as a living metaphor of what was, and is, and will ever be. And even before he was born on earth humans sought the way, and the life. Christ goes beyond Scripture, and all Scripture, is directed to 'him'. The way, and life in flesh. Praxis.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Mtu biz, there's only one destination, and it's the defeat of death. So not talking about death and its defeat, but talking about truth and destination is like hiding a treasure high in the mountain and taking the search party into the plains and making everyone busy searching for what can't be found there.
As for 'the truth'; the truth is 'the way', and it's 'the life'. There are no other ways, there's no other life.
You remind me of my early adolescent years when I was grappling with 'the quest of the historical Jesus'. And now many years later, after searching where I could, I see the historical Christ, the human, the God, as a living metaphor of what was, and is, and will ever be. And even before he was born on earth humans sought the way, and the life. Christ goes beyond Scripture, and all Scripture, is directed to 'him'. The way, and life in flesh. Praxis. This is yet another clear explanation brother has given of his standpoint. I do not agree with him but I appreciate his stand. Brother, were not those days the good old days? Going on adventures and path finding were meant to be exciting occasions. I am still on my adventures, believe it or not. Remember. Were they not simple days? Searching for the jig saw puzzle pieces one by one instead of all at once? Surely the search is not over, is it?
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tycho wrote:Mtu biz, there's only one destination, and it's the defeat of death. So not talking about death and its defeat, but talking about truth and destination is like hiding a treasure high in the mountain and taking the search party into the plains and making everyone busy searching for what can't be found there.
As for 'the truth'; the truth is 'the way', and it's 'the life'. There are no other ways, there's no other life.
You remind me of my early adolescent years when I was grappling with 'the quest of the historical Jesus'. And now many years later, after searching where I could, I see the historical Christ, the human, the God, as a living metaphor of what was, and is, and will ever be. And even before he was born on earth humans sought the way, and the life. Christ goes beyond Scripture, and all Scripture, is directed to 'him'. The way, and life in flesh. Praxis. As i wrestle to form a sensible response allow me one question... If all there is to know about a certain question is plain to see and understand, can you supply a yes or no response to such a question? For example Is the cup pictured below black in color?  Yes or No ? Would you be willing to offer such a response to such a question ?
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newfarer wrote:i thought i got a solution to the thread title but when i saw the contributors i gave up.i can just increase my bonga point counts !!!!!!!
i really wish i could understand what these people are talking about. isnt there a plain language they can use to discuss some important life / death issues? From my perspective they are talking about pro-creation.
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