@alma, kevevapi can go to other lands to produce their agricultural products and still maintain the same productivity level.Their productivity is not tied to the said land. On the other hand, the house owner's productivity is tied to the same land and have no option to relocate and still achieve same productivity.

a4 is on about the grand scheme the bigger picture, a4 agriculture sustains the national budget and the economy substantially and i would imagine that an unhealthy livestock population would harm our economy a great deal, dairies in kenya depend on healthy cows for good milk yields, meat producers depend on healthy livestock, same goes for everything that we consume coming out of livestock.
If we were to have an unhealthy livestock population due to lack of vaccines as a result of lack of capacity by the concerned authority to develop such vaccines to keep livestock healthy,the spiral effect if such a situation issued on our rock would be catastrophic, government revenue plummet, much of the population would suffer diet deficiencies resulting in an emaciated work force that cant perform well resulting in a strangled economy.
My take above is a highly plausible hypothesis, all because of corrupt government officials who stole land set aside for vaccine development and built illegal structures on of which some are supporting in the name of better land use in utter disregard of the law and ethics.
Kenya's all round growth will always be handicapped by such mentality.
kama kiliibwo kirudishwo

I think we have alot of land to the south and SE of nairobi ie mombasa rd, athi river, kitengela, lukenya that developers can utilize. Everyone doesn't have to live within 5km radius from CBD.

Facts are govt is complaining someone has taken its land, facts are some "professionals"are supporting the land grabbers by being economical with the truth and pointing people to cost of construction and stories of national economy. Facts are the rule of law, morals of right and wrong are being swept under the carpet as we are told of nice buildings costing xx amount of money. Facts are when one mentions morals, rule of law, right or wrong he becomes unsensible and inmature in a debate.

If what we have are professionals who think that breaking the law is good for the economy why then wonder when houses fall on people?

If you can break such a basic law as not selling fake title deeds what can stop the same fellow from being economical with the quality of cement he's using in your house.

Professionals failed Kenyans a long time ago. That is why they like saying gov't this gov't that.

I can vouch and promise that for every land law broken in Kenya, the following "professionals" are involved

an architect, a land developer, a valuer, a banker, a lawyer, a quantity surveyor, an engineer. These are the corrupt Kenyans. Saw if you hear that your kaplot somewhere is gone, go to these guys.

Don't listen to this nonsense that a4 is spewing here.

Someone stole land. Some "professionals" aided and abetted the crime. The silly investor must suffer. The rest of us must listen and learn and not make the same mistakes.

I promise you a4, try that kind of stuff in massachussets and we shall find you under the sea tied with cement. People in the world don't joke with land the way Kenyans do.

Return the stolen land first then we can have arguments about land use. A debate which I can assure you an architect cannot win against a land economist.

For now I'm utterly disgusted by the blatant disregard for basic laws of nature, man and the country by a "professional".

having lost about two million on a land deal gone sour in kitengela, my heart goes out to those affected.. its painful beyond words. successive governments have really let Kenyans down. just like the current south 'b' case, i used all legal channels and was issued with title by government..

@alma, not sure on what you mean. It looks like you will never ever understand my way of thinking. I give up arguing with you. What am advocating is similar land use as masachusetts. What u r advocating is kibera/mathare type land use and lynch mob psychology. Its like light and day. Some day maybe you will come to understand if you try and google on usa land use policy.

Your way of thinking is rather interesting to say the least.

You have no problem with corrupt practices in land transactions in Kenya simply because an architect can build a better house.

What I'm advising you is that this "similar land use" policy you are advocating for will get you 30ft under water with weights holding you down in some countries you love quoting.

In one thread you tell someone who has suffered the agony of being sold fake land pole, but still insist that there is no use for him to fight the crime. Accept and move on you say. After all, the land has better use with someone else.

What I'm trying to tell you is that land law has been corrupted by "professionals". The people suffering are the ones you claim you want to help get a house.

When Kenyans start doubting the Title Deed, no amount of beautiful buildings will make them buy.

I'm not a lynch mob. I think on my own terms.

If Obiero had an honest land valuer, an honest lawyer and an honest "professional" on his side, he would not have been given a fake title.

The problem in Kenya is not lack of land as you try to portray. The problem in Kenya is "professionals" who work, aid and abet corrupt individuals steal land.

I promise you a4 in those countries you have been quoting land law about, if they even got a whiff of your lack of respect for the law, you would never get a job. Not a one. I know. I've been there.

Land is not a joking matter. Lying, cheating and conning Kenyans and selling fake title deeds should be put in the economic terrorism class of laws. Not pussy footing around the issue.

So now 600 families will lose their hard earned income because some fellow in 1995 allocated themselves and their gachungwas some land. In other countries, things are done a little differently. Someone somewhere would pay.

I'm personally disgusted. But those families should not sleep tonight until someone is in court and paying for the sleepless nights they will have for the rest of their lives.

I hope I'm clear.

So stop supporting corruption in the guise of avoiding lynch mobs and saving Kenyans from poverty. Building houses that will probably have cracks in them coz even the contractor bent the law a little and the architect just forgot to do due diligence as he should for his client's sake.

You do know that there are some houses in the same area that were actually sold to some people after playing around with another gov't agency. Right now the mastermind of that one is a hero in his area. The buyers shall pay one day too.

And the band of corruption plays on.

@alma, i doubt you own any real estate in kenya. If you did, perhaps we can try to understand each other. I gave you homework to do. Study usa land use laws. I will only respond to you once you show me you have a clue on how usa land use laws work.

my land was not developed so I cannot blame an architect. Bought through bank loan where lawyer was issued by the bank. I also cannot blame them coz i feel they did due diligence. The seller seems clean too.. The rot at kajiado lands office is what i squarely blame