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Jamani
#21 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:19:31 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
the same should have applied to syokimau. The airport should have been relocated to konza.


a4a.com, I can't believe its you making that comment, without even putting logic compare the two costs the demolished units in syokimau and JKIA relocating
vky
#22 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:30:00 PM
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the land should go back to the true owner, the innocent third or fourth parties should be compensated(by whom is another issue) the kind of arguements put forth here are what fans corruption on our slice of the earth, the fact that money, sweat and time were put into this, that does not legalise a prima facie illegal acquisition
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jamplu
#23 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:34:33 PM
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Jamani wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
the same should have applied to syokimau. The airport should have been relocated to konza.


a4a.com, I can't believe its you making that comment, without even putting logic compare the two costs the demolished units in syokimau and JKIA relocating


@Jamani someday you will hear of KAA and the govt complaining that there are unsuitable buildings near greenfield and the proposed second runway there are several storied buildings near KAA's land JKIA resort mall, mitchell cotts and offices on tile & carpet airport view warehouses they are watching them being constructed they've even gone ahead and given approval for the construction.
Jamani
#24 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:47:29 PM
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jamplu wrote:
Jamani wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
the same should have applied to syokimau. The airport should have been relocated to konza.


a4a.com, I can't believe its you making that comment, without even putting logic compare the two costs the demolished units in syokimau and JKIA relocating


@Jamani someday you will hear of KAA and the govt complaining that there are unsuitable buildings near greenfield and the proposed second runway there are several storied buildings near KAA's land JKIA resort mall, mitchell cotts and offices on tile & carpet airport view warehouses they are watching them being constructed they've even gone ahead and given approval for the construction.


I appreciate your comment, however there is some difference the tile & carpet, Mitchell cotts are built on their own plots, they have not encroached on the JKIA land hence they will be compensated should their land be required. Syokimau people encroached and that's the reason their buildings were brought down without compensation, the issue wasn't suitablity or otherwise it was encroachment.
mnandii
#25 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:53:41 PM
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wanyee wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
The original owners of nairobi were the maasais to the south/kajiado, kambas to the east/syokimau/kangundo rd and kikuyus to the north west/kiambu/thika.muthaiga/karen/dagoreti. The colonial govt then appropriated the land to themselves then they allocated the land to settlers from Britain. These settlers then sold under the swinnerton plan in the 1950s and the little that remained govt land was appropriated by kenyatta, moi and kibaki govts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swynnerton_Plan

Ministry of agric has as much rights to the land as the original african tribal owners so they should be pliable to discussions and let the current owners live in peace.

How i wish the same logic was applied to Syokimau

There is a big difference btw Syokimau case and Diamond park. Syokimau, as much as there was fraud, it needs to be appreciated that airport security was the main driving force. Diamond Park was just land lying idle without any pressing immediate use.
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Jamani
#26 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:54:56 PM
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vky wrote:
the land should go back to the true owner, the innocent third or fourth parties should be compensated(by whom is another issue) the kind of arguements put forth here are what fans corruption on our slice of the earth, the fact that money, sweat and time were put into this, that does not legalise a prima facie illegal acquisition


It's unfortunate that this kind of corruption is more fanned by professionals in the industry because they know the issues surrounding such land(s) yet they go ahead and advise their clients to put up structures, why? Because they want their fees to be paid, someone must drive that Range....you know.
a4architect.com
#27 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 4:47:06 PM
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Jamani wrote:
jamplu wrote:
Jamani wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
the same should have applied to syokimau. The airport should have been relocated to konza.


a4a.com, I can't believe its you making that comment, without even putting logic compare the two costs the demolished units in syokimau and JKIA relocating


@Jamani someday you will hear of KAA and the govt complaining that there are unsuitable buildings near greenfield and the proposed second runway there are several storied buildings near KAA's land JKIA resort mall, mitchell cotts and offices on tile & carpet airport view warehouses they are watching them being constructed they've even gone ahead and given approval for the construction.


I appreciate your comment, however there is some difference the tile & carpet, Mitchell cotts are built on their own plots, they have not encroached on the JKIA land hence they will be compensated should their land be required. Syokimau people encroached and that's the reason their buildings were brought down without compensation, the issue wasn't suitablity or otherwise it was encroachment.


@jamani, sometimes i am worried by mentality of the majority of Kenyans to act like lynch mobs to other people who seem to have made a few strides in investments. From the judiciary to ordinary kenyans, the chorus is demolish, demolish as we saw with JKIA situation. Could it be an issue of lack of understanding the advantates or is it just sheer jealousy?

When i look at the kevivapi land, i see hard working kenyans trying to house their families and provide housing/shelter to other kenyans. Whether the land was grabbed or not, kevivapi land use should have been revoked years ago and the land offered to the public to be constructed on as residential or office space. As a country, the economy, all 40 million kenyans, including you @jamani, would loose out if kevivapi were to carry out agric activities on the land. All 40 million kenyans, including you @jamani, are benefiting when the kevivapi land is being used as residential currently. The net effect in the economy is positive, job creations, less travel time for workers ,etc etc.

Assuming kevivapi continues to utilise the land, the house owners would have moved further, pushing the urban sprawl as nairobi expands. This would have costed you @jamani, myself nd the rest of the 40 million kenyans, around kes 2 billion to lay the infrastructure/roads/water/sewer etc.This would have been unnecessary/wasted/duplicated since the infrastructure is there at kevivapi land but not utilised appropriately in the kevivapi agricultural use.
For once, lets begin to look at the bigger picture of things as a nation, not as individuals.

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#28 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:25:46 PM
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KEVEVAPI should be restored to its initial position. It might be impossible to return them the land but at least monetary compensation. Problem is who will compensate? How did NSSF Tassia go?
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#29 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:35:59 PM
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All those houses were built in broad daylight and over a period of time. How come construction was not stopped during the initial phase? There is more to it than meet the eyes and ears.
bird_man
#30 Posted : Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:47:23 PM
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Most of those estates have been there for about 6-8 yrs....
Did KEVEVAPI just realize it was grabbed now?

What I see here is State fat cats who sold the land illegally to developers & made billions.They now want to repeat the whole cycle....demolish residential houses....KEVEVAPI gets the land again...fat cats sell it out illegally...again!And the cycle continues.
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