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Alba wrote:My take is we should just focus on Kenya and not the whole continent. Find out why Ethiopia passed Kenya. To me tribalism and corruption are the main reasons.
We had 10 wasted years under Kibaki. It is during his reign that Ethiopia passed Kenya. He did nothing to address corruption, crime, tribalism or unemployment.
Note that when Kibaki took over, the unemployment rate was 40%. When he left it was still 40%. Corruption stayed the same under his reign or may have risen. Crime spiralled out of control. Tribalism spiked to the point of being toxic. I never once saw Kibaki take appropriate action to address these issues. Thats why I say it was 10 wasted years.
If Kenyans want to understand why Ethiopia passed Kenya, start by looking at our leaders. They are the main reason for stagnation. And Kenyans penchant for tribal voting just emboldens the leaders. So if you feel besieged by crime, you can thank tribal voting for that. If Kenyans voted on issues, things would be different.
We can never have an Egypt style revolution to remove incompetent leaders because people will support the leader if he happens to be from their ethnic group. Our tribalism is so toxic that we cant even come together to challenge MPs for raising their salaries. If a tribal chief calls a political rally, thousands show up. If an NGO calls a rally protest high MP salaries, only a few dozen show up. Ghitu ghani hii ?
No wonder the govt now says the wage bill is hindering development. It was in Kibaki's years that fallen govt entities were revived, the likes of KCC and infrastructure was repaired, seems you've forgotten Moi days when the economy was "growing" in the the negatives.. but its ok. This is not about politricks but economy. We have to pick up from where Kibaki left, revive the Tanning Industry, the clothing industry the likes of Rivatex, Kicomi etc "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Alba wrote:My take is we should just focus on Kenya and not the whole continent. Find out why Ethiopia passed Kenya. To me tribalism and corruption are the main reasons.
We had 10 wasted years under Kibaki. It is during his reign that Ethiopia passed Kenya. He did nothing to address corruption, crime, tribalism or unemployment.
Note that when Kibaki took over, the unemployment rate was 40%. When he left it was still 40%. Corruption stayed the same under his reign or may have risen. Crime spiralled out of control. Tribalism spiked to the point of being toxic. I never once saw Kibaki take appropriate action to address these issues. Thats why I say it was 10 wasted years.
If Kenyans want to understand why Ethiopia passed Kenya, start by looking at our leaders. They are the main reason for stagnation. And Kenyans penchant for tribal voting just emboldens the leaders. So if you feel besieged by crime, you can thank tribal voting for that. If Kenyans voted on issues, things would be different.
We can never have an Egypt style revolution to remove incompetent leaders because people will support the leader if he happens to be from their ethnic group. Our tribalism is so toxic that we cant even come together to challenge MPs for raising their salaries. If a tribal chief calls a political rally, thousands show up. If an NGO calls a rally protest high MP salaries, only a few dozen show up. Ghitu ghani hii ?
No wonder the govt now says the wage bill is hindering development. Well said @Alba. Kibaki's 10 years were a complete waste.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,225 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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Alba wrote:My take is we should just focus on Kenya and not the whole continent. Find out why Ethiopia passed Kenya. To me tribalism and corruption are the main reasons.
We had 10 wasted years under Kibaki. It is during his reign that Ethiopia passed Kenya. He did nothing to address corruption, crime, tribalism or unemployment.
Note that when Kibaki took over, the unemployment rate was 40%. When he left it was still 40%. Corruption stayed the same under his reign or may have risen. Crime spiralled out of control. Tribalism spiked to the point of being toxic. I never once saw Kibaki take appropriate action to address these issues. Thats why I say it was 10 wasted years.
If Kenyans want to understand why Ethiopia passed Kenya, start by looking at our leaders. They are the main reason for stagnation. And Kenyans penchant for tribal voting just emboldens the leaders. So if you feel besieged by crime, you can thank tribal voting for that. If Kenyans voted on issues, things would be different.
We can never have an Egypt style revolution to remove incompetent leaders because people will support the leader if he happens to be from their ethnic group. Our tribalism is so toxic that we cant even come together to challenge MPs for raising their salaries. If a tribal chief calls a political rally, thousands show up. If an NGO calls a rally protest high MP salaries, only a few dozen show up. Ghitu ghani hii ?
No wonder the govt now says the wage bill is hindering development. True. There were no freebies. It was really tough for the 'tunaomba sirkal type.' @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/20/2011 Posts: 1,820 Location: Nakuru
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Alba wrote:murchr wrote:Alba wrote:Tribalism is finishing the country. Kenya had 10 wasted years under Kibaki in which the economy grew at a paltry 4% while all the neighbours grew at kitu 7%. If tribalism was insignificant like it is in Tanzania or even Uganda, we would have highly competent presidential candidates even as far back as 1963. But we still dont learn.
As someone has said above, Tanzania will pass Kenya during our lifetimes because even 20 years from now, Kenya will still be a tribal society. Kenya's best years were under Kibaki what are you telling us? U think growing an economy from a (-) to +7% is as easy as taking a flight of stairs? Our wasted years were in the 90s the years of (-) growth. Kenya's GDP growth grew at a much slower rate than all the neighbors. That is the point of this thread. Countries like Ethiopia , Rwanda , Mozambique also had negative growth then went to growth rates of almost 10% I say wasted years because Kibaki really had a good opportunity and a lot of goodwill to rectify the Nyayo error : In 2002, virtually the whole country was united behind Kibaki. No kenyan President has ever been elected with as much goodwill as Kibaki was in 2002. But he wasted the opportunity to fight tribalism and deal with corruption. Instead of continuing the spirit of Unity that got him elected in 2002, he went back to his tribal cocoon and once again the country was split along tribal lines. The 1990s were not just wasted years. Those were years of suffocation. 7% could have been sustained had baba Lupita not coined the slogan "NO RAILA NO PEACE" Dumb money becomes dumb only when it listens to smart money
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/1/2010 Posts: 272 Location: Nairobi
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Murira Ikihia wrote:I could also add that the Ethiopian coffee industry larger and growing by far than in Kenya. This is because Ethiopians consume mostly black coffee at the individual household. But lets get some things clear. Ethiopian Airline has been around since 1948 when Kenya was been plugged into the most toxic phase of colonialism. They have had an aircraft simulator for decades mostly for their airforce and Kenyan pilots have also been trained there. Well KQ got theirs a couple of years ago and so that is history. By the way the jet fighter that UK is being shown above is a soviet era MiG. I have no comment on its capability but I can say that the technology is decades old. Finally, let me comment on the leather industry. I agree, this is larger better organized and more lucrative than our pathetic Kenyan case. However, I will never forget the mountain of bones outside the main Addis Ababa slaughter house - must be a couple of a thousand tonnes - which is an eloquent testament that the animal feeds industry is non-existent. What this short analysis suggests is that Ethiopia has flashes of brilliance in some sectors that we can learn from but they are scattered and far in between and need to be integrated into the whole to make a difference. By the way, I highly appreciate this thawing of relations with our 87m strong population Northern neighbour because in the long run, this is a huge untapped market for almost anything that the Kenya industry can produce. For instance, did you know that there is only one insurance company - with government as the major shareholder in Ethiopia just like the banking sector? We therefore should encourage openness because it will be mutually beneficial. Best summary of the situation/comparison. Also balance of trade is tilted in our favour so far. The harder you work, the luckier you get
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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 Futuristic, for a city that has no traffic jam. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Another example that demoncracy is what slows Africa down. As for those who were waiting for a that "water war" washindwe, Sisi is going to Ethiopia, and given that those Naive Muslim Brothers were caught on camera plotting to cause rifts in Ethiopia, he has alot of PR to do. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 9/24/2012 Posts: 63
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If we continue with the kind of political bickering going around, Kenya itabaki kusema 'That Used to Be Us'. Think of what Kenya accoplished from 2003-2007 and 1 month conflict which we are yet to recover from. Above all, guard your heart, for it is the wellspring of life.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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  Their 80km tolled Addis Ababa - Adama Expressway (superhighway) inaugurated in May. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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