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Mtu Biz wrote:danas10 wrote:kysse wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:
danas, pick any 'God' you wish, and you'll find the 'God' am talking about. But then construe it not that there's no mystery, only the mystery is unnameable.
Who is speaking of the unnameable? The conscious being. 'God' is an act of consciousness. And does consciousness change? When and how does one know his consciousness has changed? When one becomes conscious of his consciousness. An equal expression would be 'self consciousness'. For example, development of senses. Like seeing. Hearing. Reasoning changes, principles are replaced, and a 'new God' emerges, then a new religion.
So, if "God" is an act of consciousness, I would suppose that one becomes aware of a "God" when they become conscious of their consciousness. Would it then be right to say to person A that his principles are outdated and "God" no longer respects them? Is A conscious of his consciousness and how is this manifest? Could it be that A is still in his "unconscious" world and those principles do matter to him and his "God" of that moment? Do we all evolve simultaneously? Is it in stages or its a bang? Why is it written, "they have ears but they fail to hear?" When you look, do you necessarily "see"? ps...I probably have asked many questions but it is because I am yet to understand. what part of my consciousness is this?  only a step away. ...from?  From making klingon or is it romulan, your mothertongue. Laugh Laugh Laugh
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danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:
danas, pick any 'God' you wish, and you'll find the 'God' am talking about. But then construe it not that there's no mystery, only the mystery is unnameable.
Who is speaking of the unnameable? The conscious being. 'God' is an act of consciousness. And does consciousness change? When and how does one know his consciousness has changed? When one becomes conscious of his consciousness. An equal expression would be 'self consciousness'. For example, development of senses. Like seeing. Hearing. Reasoning changes, principles are replaced, and a 'new God' emerges, then a new religion.
So, if "God" is an act of consciousness, I would suppose that one becomes aware of a "God" when they become conscious of their consciousness. Would it then be right to say to person A that his principles are outdated and "God" no longer respects them? Is A conscious of his consciousness and how is this manifest? Could it be that A is still in his "unconscious" world and those principles do matter to him and his "God" of that moment? Do we all evolve simultaneously? Is it in stages or its a bang? Why is it written, "they have ears but they fail to hear?" When you look, do you necessarily "see"? ps...I probably have asked many questions but it is because I am yet to understand. what part of my consciousness is this? Firstly @danas, we must remember that a person is a set of relationships interacting to promote a culture, a lifestyle, a city, a worldview. And the culture and worldview work to sustain life not just for the 'individual' but the 'social herd'. Thus 'God' is always a communal event. Consciousness is a communal event. Take an example. A group of animals herding, one of them senses danger, signals and sets the group on flight. Not all sense the danger equally but all react to the information. Or, if one was to experience and express 'God' at an individual and isolated state then even this thread wouldn't be. 'Evolution' is about participating in change and passing this change forward to other generations so it's both a bang and gradual change. Just like the 'big bang model'. Consciousness creates an 'analog' I, and this helps one to describe it's own action through reflection. Consciousness about consciousness implies the identification of patterns across cultures, religions and civilizations and being able to come up with new expressions and solutions to life's challenges.
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tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:
danas, pick any 'God' you wish, and you'll find the 'God' am talking about. But then construe it not that there's no mystery, only the mystery is unnameable.
Who is speaking of the unnameable? The conscious being. 'God' is an act of consciousness. And does consciousness change? When and how does one know his consciousness has changed? When one becomes conscious of his consciousness. An equal expression would be 'self consciousness'. For example, development of senses. Like seeing. Hearing. Reasoning changes, principles are replaced, and a 'new God' emerges, then a new religion.
So, if "God" is an act of consciousness, I would suppose that one becomes aware of a "God" when they become conscious of their consciousness. Would it then be right to say to person A that his principles are outdated and "God" no longer respects them? Is A conscious of his consciousness and how is this manifest? Could it be that A is still in his "unconscious" world and those principles do matter to him and his "God" of that moment? Do we all evolve simultaneously? Is it in stages or its a bang? Why is it written, "they have ears but they fail to hear?" When you look, do you necessarily "see"? ps...I probably have asked many questions but it is because I am yet to understand. what part of my consciousness is this? Firstly @danas, we must remember that a person is a set of relationships interacting to promote a culture, a lifestyle, a city, a worldview. And the culture and worldview work to sustain life not just for the 'individual' but the 'social herd'. Thus 'God' is always a communal event. Consciousness is a communal event. Take an example. A group of animals herding, one of them senses danger, signals and sets the group on flight. Not all sense the danger equally but all react to the information. Or, if one was to experience and express 'God' at an individual and isolated state then even this thread wouldn't be. 'Evolution' is about participating in change and passing this change forward to other generations so it's both a bang and gradual change. Just like the 'big bang model'. Consciousness creates an 'analog' I, and this helps one to describe it's own action through reflection. Consciousness about consciousness implies the identification of patterns across cultures, religions and civilizations and being able to come up with new expressions and solutions to life's challenges. ...Ok, @tycho. I still can't see the link between consciousness and "God" because I will be tempted to ask who initiates change and others follow, but I will let it be. Sometimes the heart of man can be stubborn
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danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:
danas, pick any 'God' you wish, and you'll find the 'God' am talking about. But then construe it not that there's no mystery, only the mystery is unnameable.
Who is speaking of the unnameable? The conscious being. 'God' is an act of consciousness. And does consciousness change? When and how does one know his consciousness has changed? When one becomes conscious of his consciousness. An equal expression would be 'self consciousness'. For example, development of senses. Like seeing. Hearing. Reasoning changes, principles are replaced, and a 'new God' emerges, then a new religion.
So, if "God" is an act of consciousness, I would suppose that one becomes aware of a "God" when they become conscious of their consciousness. Would it then be right to say to person A that his principles are outdated and "God" no longer respects them? Is A conscious of his consciousness and how is this manifest? Could it be that A is still in his "unconscious" world and those principles do matter to him and his "God" of that moment? Do we all evolve simultaneously? Is it in stages or its a bang? Why is it written, "they have ears but they fail to hear?" When you look, do you necessarily "see"? ps...I probably have asked many questions but it is because I am yet to understand. what part of my consciousness is this? Firstly @danas, we must remember that a person is a set of relationships interacting to promote a culture, a lifestyle, a city, a worldview. And the culture and worldview work to sustain life not just for the 'individual' but the 'social herd'. Thus 'God' is always a communal event. Consciousness is a communal event. Take an example. A group of animals herding, one of them senses danger, signals and sets the group on flight. Not all sense the danger equally but all react to the information. Or, if one was to experience and express 'God' at an individual and isolated state then even this thread wouldn't be. 'Evolution' is about participating in change and passing this change forward to other generations so it's both a bang and gradual change. Just like the 'big bang model'. Consciousness creates an 'analog' I, and this helps one to describe it's own action through reflection. Consciousness about consciousness implies the identification of patterns across cultures, religions and civilizations and being able to come up with new expressions and solutions to life's challenges. ...Ok, @tycho. I still can't see the link between consciousness and "God" because I will be tempted to ask who initiates change and others follow, but I will let it be. Sometimes the heart of man can be stubborn The link is the brain, and the initiator is the brain and consequently mind that is most perceptive to stimuli. How does the matter of stubbornness arise?
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tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:...Ok, @tycho. I still can't see the link between consciousness and "God" because I will be tempted to ask who initiates change and others follow, but I will let it be. Sometimes the heart of man can be stubborn The link is the brain, and the initiator is the brain and consequently mind that is most perceptive to stimuli. How does the matter of stubbornness arise? If I may borrow from previous conversations... there is a dance, but you choose not to dance. My mind can refuse to participate in change...what you are calling "evolution". Wouldn't you brand me stubborn?
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danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:...Ok, @tycho. I still can't see the link between consciousness and "God" because I will be tempted to ask who initiates change and others follow, but I will let it be. Sometimes the heart of man can be stubborn The link is the brain, and the initiator is the brain and consequently mind that is most perceptive to stimuli. How does the matter of stubbornness arise? If I may borrow from previous conversations... there is a dance, but you choose not to dance. My mind can refuse to participate in change...what you are calling "evolution". Wouldn't you brand me stubborn? Mostly we are unconscious of a huge percentage of our mental activities, and a refusal to evolve the mind can't be true if learning is taking place. My task isn't to brand you, my task is to be more conscious of my thinking and to structure my life at optimal levels. So if 'resistance' or conversation is 'challenging' or 'strong', the better for me. Hence I am enjoying the dance deeply.
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tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:...Ok, @tycho. I still can't see the link between consciousness and "God" because I will be tempted to ask who initiates change and others follow, but I will let it be. Sometimes the heart of man can be stubborn The link is the brain, and the initiator is the brain and consequently mind that is most perceptive to stimuli. How does the matter of stubbornness arise? If I may borrow from previous conversations... there is a dance, but you choose not to dance. My mind can refuse to participate in change...what you are calling "evolution". Wouldn't you brand me stubborn? Mostly we are unconscious of a huge percentage of our mental activities, and a refusal to evolve the mind can't be true if learning is taking place. My task isn't to brand you, my task is to be more conscious of my thinking and to structure my life at optimal levels. So if 'resistance' or conversation is 'challenging' or 'strong', the better for me. Hence I am enjoying the dance deeply. ...so you as a "person" are "a set of relationships interacting to promote a culture, a lifestyle..." (am quoting you). Are you defined by your interactions? When structuring your life at optimal levels, would you be considering the optimal levels of the others you are interacting with so that there is convergence? what if they are not conscious of their thinking, will you then be forced to promote a personal culture, lifestyle, city etc?
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danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:...Ok, @tycho. I still can't see the link between consciousness and "God" because I will be tempted to ask who initiates change and others follow, but I will let it be. Sometimes the heart of man can be stubborn The link is the brain, and the initiator is the brain and consequently mind that is most perceptive to stimuli. How does the matter of stubbornness arise? If I may borrow from previous conversations... there is a dance, but you choose not to dance. My mind can refuse to participate in change...what you are calling "evolution". Wouldn't you brand me stubborn? Mostly we are unconscious of a huge percentage of our mental activities, and a refusal to evolve the mind can't be true if learning is taking place. My task isn't to brand you, my task is to be more conscious of my thinking and to structure my life at optimal levels. So if 'resistance' or conversation is 'challenging' or 'strong', the better for me. Hence I am enjoying the dance deeply. ...so you as a "person" are "a set of relationships interacting to promote a culture, a lifestyle..." (am quoting you). Are you defined by your interactions? When structuring your life at optimal levels, would you be considering the optimal levels of the others you are interacting with so that there is convergence? what if they are not conscious of their thinking, will you then be forced to promote a personal culture, lifestyle, city etc? A person is defined by his/her interactions. The world's a stage. So when seeking optimal values you realize that you're the other person. Even 'thing'. So one lives optimally when things do, or happen by themselves.
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