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Mavuno - Whats up?
danas10
#211 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 3:07:39 PM
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tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
McReggae wrote:
tycho wrote:
McReggae wrote:
In Tycho's world everything goes.....I wish you @CLK the best!!!


Show how that conclusion is true or warranted. Of course we should all wish each other the best. Or do you wish me the worst?


smile I don't wish you the worst, how can one wish that on man god himself, the wind who blows across all the continents, how cananybody wish you the worst

......just that anything goes in your world, so long as your stand is contrary to the 'popular' stand!!!


It's said that 'God isn't a respector of persons but of principles.' And so far, the principles you are advocating for are inadequate for the times. In fact, it is these principles that are used to create these Mavuno, propeller and helicopter issues.


Are you implying that these principles were at one time respected by God and that he has since changed with the times and no longer respects them? just a question...


And a good question at that. Yes.


... am tempted to ask which God this is, and how do his people know when "once respected principles" are now outdated.. and apart from time, what prompts the change. But am also tempted to imagine your mind is on to something different from mine and you are not speaking of what I am imagining...
kiterunner
#212 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 4:37:30 PM
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tycho wrote:
kiterunner wrote:
the old churches like Catholic, AIC, Presbyterian, Methodist, SDA.... run churches, schools, universities ..... that benefit society directly. The mavunos of this world collect more mbegu than the oldschool churches per capita. Someone show me something practical they do for society besides 'saving' your soul from darkness and promising you never ending wealth, promotion and cures for everything


These mavuno pastors were educated in the traditional schools.



as an agnostic christian who prefers the practical impact (positive anyway) religion can have on society. i choose to go to the 'old' churches which have a more beneficial impact on society. Hii ingine ya mavuno na JCC where you guys drive to and pay your tithes dont run a mission hospital that will treat your ailing aging parents or relatives upcountry

hiyo siasa ingine ya heaven, hell, etc i leave to those that 'believe'
our goals are best achieved indirectly
CLK
#213 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 5:51:26 PM
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There is nothing like times have changed, people changed, and while at it, they did not think about the consequences. There is no way you can be a teenager's best friend first then their mum or dad, and then expect them to grow up straightforward.

Am sure you have seen the outcry on antiGay laws in UG, then guys woke up and realised, they were introduced to Christianity, which frowned upon polygamy, then realised the same person is encouraging homosexuality which is also frowned upon by Christianity, and now we are going back saying, we would rather stick to our polygamy than embrace homosexuality.
@tycho, I will stick to the old ways of parenting that i know worked for me and my siblings and the larger extended family and still do, you are welcome to show the new ways and the results.
quicksand
#214 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 11:38:22 PM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
McReggae wrote:
tycho wrote:
McReggae wrote:
In Tycho's world everything goes.....I wish you @CLK the best!!!


Show how that conclusion is true or warranted. Of course we should all wish each other the best. Or do you wish me the worst?


smile I don't wish you the worst, how can one wish that on man god himself, the wind who blows across all the continents, how cananybody wish you the worst

......just that anything goes in your world, so long as your stand is contrary to the 'popular' stand!!!


It's said that 'God isn't a respector of persons but of principles.' And so far, the principles you are advocating for are inadequate for the times. In fact, it is these principles that are used to create these Mavuno, propeller and helicopter issues.


Are you implying that these principles were at one time respected by God and that he has since changed with the times and no longer respects them? just a question...


And a good question at that. Yes.


... am tempted to ask which God this is, and how do his people know when "once respected principles" are now outdated.. and apart from time, what prompts the change. But am also tempted to imagine your mind is on to something different from mine and you are not speaking of what I am imagining...

@danas, are you a lawyer?
That was brilliantly sprung. ...I am waiting to see how @tycho explains this one ....
danas10
#215 Posted : Saturday, March 01, 2014 8:50:13 PM
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quicksand wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:

Are you implying that these principles were at one time respected by God and that he has since changed with the times and no longer respects them? just a question...


And a good question at that. Yes.


... am tempted to ask which God this is, and how do his people know when "once respected principles" are now outdated.. and apart from time, what prompts the change. But am also tempted to imagine your mind is on to something different from mine and you are not speaking of what I am imagining...

@danas, are you a lawyer?
That was brilliantly sprung. ...I am waiting to see how @tycho explains this one ....

...no I am not smile . If he does, it'll be a step in seeing both sides.
Wainadi
#216 Posted : Saturday, March 01, 2014 9:38:56 PM
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I love the fact I didn't pursue 'the love of knowledge' back when I was a pupil.
Its all good.
Mukiri
#217 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 7:41:03 AM
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For those who were wondering what the poster was all about

Finders Keepers II – The Morning After

Why are relationships in Nairobi in such a mess today?

Communication – in this age of social media, people have lost the ability to talk to real people – we no longer know how to communicate beyond 140 characters! Relationships today are about virtual communication and physical attraction. No wonder then that boredom follows after a few months or even weeks!

Misinformation - we live in this trendy, misinformed world where music videos, magazines, TV series’ and movies are the primary source of information about how sex and relationships work. E.g. put a man who is addicted to porn and a woman who is addicted to soap operas together –and boom – a recipe for disaster!

Expectations – many today see a relationship as the key to money, a lifestyle, and sex. Cougar & sugar daddy relationships abound – a friend who works with a leading FM station told us that they get 30 text messages from listeners every minute, and that almost half of those are by people requesting to be paired with a financially stable, much older individual. Dating today has devolved to assessing the other person’s financial ability or sexual compatibility.

Sexualisation – Starting in their teens and even younger, Kenyans seem to agree with P-Unit and Collo that when it comes to sex, you can gerrit! A friend who’s a pastor shared that 5 years ago, maybe 40% of couples he counselled said they’d been sleeping together before marriage. Things are so bad today that recently, when a couple said they had not slept together, he asked in shock, ‘really?’ i.e. if say you’re a virgin today, you actually sound suspect! And for those who are married, if you say you’ve been faithfully married for 10 years, people actually applaud! It’s like they don’t expect many to be like that!



God’s enemy showed up in the form of one of the creatures God had created. He had two simple objectives.

Objective #1 - Isolate Man From Woman – Genesis 3:1 says, ‘He said to the woman’ – the first thing Satan did is separate Eve from Adam by addressing her alone. He had this entire conversation with her, completely ignoring her husband. This is what is called in warfare, ‘divide and conquer’. And as we shall see in a little while, he was completely successful in this objective.

Objective #2 - Isolate Humans From God – The rest of Genesis 3:1 says, ‘“Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?”’ God didn’t say they shouldn’t eat from any tree, but Satan knew exactly what he was doing! By exaggerating God’s command, he was causing Eve to mistrust God’s intentions. And she fell for it, ‘we may eat from the trees in the garden but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will surely die”’. Now if you read Genesis 1, God had never said anything about touchingthe tree! Eve stopped seeing all the other trees in the garden and all she could think of was that God’s commands seemed harsh & unfair’! In the same way today, Satan is asking many of us, ‘Did God really say that sex was bad?’ And many good Christians are replying, ‘Not really! But… making me remain single so I might never enjoy sex… OR forcing me to stay married to my wife when she’s not meeting my needs… His commands do seem harsh & unfair!’

At the heart of Satan’s deception is the lie that you cannot trust others and that you cannot trust God. The only person you can trust is yourself. Nobody else really has your back. So go with what your gut tells you – if it feels good, do it! ‘I want what I want and I want it now!’



Women will always desire for more from men! As a result of their unfulfilled desire (your desire will be for your husband), women tend to want to get love and acceptance at any cost. In other ways, Women’s insecurities lead them to manipulate others to get what they want.

Let’s talk about men. Whereas women tend to manipulate, men on the other hand tend to dominate. Throughout the world in every single culture that ever existed, men have used their physical strength to dominate women politically, socially, physically & economically. Even in the West, many years after the women’s rights movements, gender inequalities continue to persist in society. Political thinkers and feminist scholars have been unable to explain them. All over the world, the vast majority of cases of rape, incest and adultery are carried out by men. But beyond these obvious abuses are more subtle ones. For instance, why do women in society today aspire to be thin? Why do white women aspire to be tanned (or darker) and dark women aspire to be ‘fair & lovely’? The answer is powerful men taking advantage of women’s insecurities to sell a product. Ladies answer the following with I do or I don’t.

Proverbs 19:21
tycho
#218 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 10:31:53 AM
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danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
danas10 wrote:
tycho wrote:
McReggae wrote:
tycho wrote:
McReggae wrote:
In Tycho's world everything goes.....I wish you @CLK the best!!!


Show how that conclusion is true or warranted. Of course we should all wish each other the best. Or do you wish me the worst?


smile I don't wish you the worst, how can one wish that on man god himself, the wind who blows across all the continents, how cananybody wish you the worst

......just that anything goes in your world, so long as your stand is contrary to the 'popular' stand!!!


It's said that 'God isn't a respector of persons but of principles.' And so far, the principles you are advocating for are inadequate for the times. In fact, it is these principles that are used to create these Mavuno, propeller and helicopter issues.


Are you implying that these principles were at one time respected by God and that he has since changed with the times and no longer respects them? just a question...


And a good question at that. Yes.


... am tempted to ask which God this is, and how do his people know when "once respected principles" are now outdated.. and apart from time, what prompts the change. But am also tempted to imagine your mind is on to something different from mine and you are not speaking of what I am imagining...


danas, pick any 'God' you wish, and you'll find the 'God' am talking about. But then construe it not that there's no mystery, only the mystery is unnameable.

Who is speaking of the unnameable? The conscious being. 'God' is an act of consciousness. And does consciousness change? When and how does one know his consciousness has changed? When one becomes conscious of his consciousness. An equal expression would be 'self consciousness'. For example, development of senses. Like seeing. Hearing. Reasoning changes, principles are replaced, and a 'new God' emerges, then a new religion.
tycho
#219 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 11:00:15 AM
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CLK wrote:
There is nothing like times have changed, people changed, and while at it, they did not think about the consequences. There is no way you can be a teenager's best friend first then their mum or dad, and then expect them to grow up straightforward.

Am sure you have seen the outcry on antiGay laws in UG, then guys woke up and realised, they were introduced to Christianity, which frowned upon polygamy, then realised the same person is encouraging homosexuality which is also frowned upon by Christianity, and now we are going back saying, we would rather stick to our polygamy than embrace homosexuality.
@tycho, I will stick to the old ways of parenting that i know worked for me and my siblings and the larger extended family and still do, you are welcome to show the new ways and the results.


If people have changed then times have changed, for it's people who read calenders, form cultures and civilizations by force of their ideas.

I asked myself if the parenting idea you have has a name. I told myself since you are prescribing it and some Wazuans are in agreement then it must have a name. I'm sure it's not traditional African and it's not one based on 'The enlightenment'.

Am saying this because not just because of how you seem to defend your ideas, but also how you seem to get them.

I strike rapport with children very easily, and I usually have engaging conversations with them, and I end up suspecting that we have structured our lives that diminishes important aspects of intelligence with age. For example, take your threatening response to your child just because she has observed an anomaly in how jirani's children dress or act. Why not just explain why you've chosen what you prescribe for them? Certainly if they can ask a question then they can understand an answer! But no, you threaten them with the basics of life like the security of a strong and wise parent who is also a friend.

Maybe this difference is arising because of how we experience 'God'. God is a friend waiting to work and enlighten us, and nurture us into a mutual relationship. We are not racing to heaven, we are in heaven.
washiku
#220 Posted : Monday, March 03, 2014 11:05:07 AM
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Joined: 5/9/2007
Posts: 13,095
@Mukiri

Quote:
Kana kega ka Jesũ Kristo


I like your new linesmile smile
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