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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Euge wrote:tycho wrote:McReggae wrote:@CLK, I want to agree with you. Many parents today believe that their children have rights on everything, the other day I saw on KTN and parent complaining that her kid had been denied entry into a school because she had long hair. That school has over 500 pupils who have all obeyed this simple rule but to this parent the school was infringing on the rights of her daughter, we must believe in rules and we must raise our kids believing that they must abide by some rules, otherwise the result will be us running to Mavuno to vuna the little left in our kids!!!! @Mcreggae, things can't go back to the 'old days'. We live in a 'multicultural world' and if we don't know how to live in such times, how can we expect the children to know how to live? Schools shouldn't foster conformity, instead they should allow for diversity. @CLK, you were given corporal punishment because you were not in a free world. But the tide is now against oppressive relations. But you remember the issue you had while going for holiday? It's the same thing happening now, only this time you're on the 'righteous' side. And Mavuno is 'wrong'. Schools have rules and regulations and if the parents feel the rules do not serve their needs, they should look elsewhere or do home schooling. And yes. Schools should foster conformity. Coz as the kids grow, they have traffic rules to adhere to, the constitution, policies where they work etc... Conformity isn't a necessary ingredient for the following of traffic rules. Why go to school to learn how to conform? That's not education!
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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the old churches like Catholic, AIC, Presbyterian, Methodist, SDA.... run churches, schools, universities ..... that benefit society directly. The mavunos of this world collect more mbegu than the oldschool churches per capita. Someone show me something practical they do for society besides 'saving' your soul from darkness and promising you never ending wealth, promotion and cures for everything our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kiterunner wrote:the old churches like Catholic, AIC, Presbyterian, Methodist, SDA.... run churches, schools, universities ..... that benefit society directly. The mavunos of this world collect more mbegu than the oldschool churches per capita. Someone show me something practical they do for society besides 'saving' your soul from darkness and promising you never ending wealth, promotion and cures for everything These mavuno pastors were educated in the traditional schools.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/2/2009 Posts: 2,458 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:kiterunner wrote:the old churches like Catholic, AIC, Presbyterian, Methodist, SDA.... run churches, schools, universities ..... that benefit society directly. The mavunos of this world collect more mbegu than the oldschool churches per capita. Someone show me something practical they do for society besides 'saving' your soul from darkness and promising you never ending wealth, promotion and cures for everything These mavuno pastors were educated in the traditional schools. Both of you have very potent points to ponder on..
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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tycho wrote:What do you mean by 'children being free from their parents'? If you mean parents can control most of what a child does, then you aren't being truthful.
But if you mean make a child understand by continuous engagement and example, then I can agree with you. Children are intelligent and you don't have to force them into submission. @Tycho, you control what your child does until he/she is of an age where he can make fairly good decisions. Some children achieve this at age 10 others at 22. Most children (and adults) are not intelligent and will make the same mistake over and over again. That's why throughout life, we ought to have someone who can patiently guide us along the right paths (our parents, mostly). Punishment (corporal or otherwise) is part and parcel of this guidance. Smack them! Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/8/2010 Posts: 763 Location: Intersection
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jguru wrote:tycho wrote:What do you mean by 'children being free from their parents'? If you mean parents can control most of what a child does, then you aren't being truthful.
But if you mean make a child understand by continuous engagement and example, then I can agree with you. Children are intelligent and you don't have to force them into submission. @Tycho, you control what your child does until he/she is of an age where he can make fairly good decisions. Some children achieve this at age 10 others at 22. Most children (and adults) are not intelligent and will make the same mistake over and over again. That's why throughout life, we ought to have someone who can patiently guide us along the right paths (our parents, mostly). Punishment (corporal or otherwise) is part and parcel of this guidance. Smack them! ...besides, children respond differently. some have to be spanked, others, dialogue works. Know your children and treat them accordingly.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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tycho wrote:Euge wrote:tycho wrote:McReggae wrote:@CLK, I want to agree with you. Many parents today believe that their children have rights on everything, the other day I saw on KTN and parent complaining that her kid had been denied entry into a school because she had long hair. That school has over 500 pupils who have all obeyed this simple rule but to this parent the school was infringing on the rights of her daughter, we must believe in rules and we must raise our kids believing that they must abide by some rules, otherwise the result will be us running to Mavuno to vuna the little left in our kids!!!! @Mcreggae, things can't go back to the 'old days'. We live in a 'multicultural world' and if we don't know how to live in such times, how can we expect the children to know how to live? Schools shouldn't foster conformity, instead they should allow for diversity. @CLK, you were given corporal punishment because you were not in a free world. But the tide is now against oppressive relations. But you remember the issue you had while going for holiday? It's the same thing happening now, only this time you're on the 'righteous' side. And Mavuno is 'wrong'. Schools have rules and regulations and if the parents feel the rules do not serve their needs, they should look elsewhere or do home schooling. And yes. Schools should foster conformity. Coz as the kids grow, they have traffic rules to adhere to, the constitution, policies where they work etc... Conformity isn't a necessary ingredient for the following of traffic rules. Why go to school to learn how to conform? That's not education! Okay. Let your children set their own traffic rules. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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jguru wrote:tycho wrote:What do you mean by 'children being free from their parents'? If you mean parents can control most of what a child does, then you aren't being truthful.
But if you mean make a child understand by continuous engagement and example, then I can agree with you. Children are intelligent and you don't have to force them into submission. @Tycho, you control what your child does until he/she is of an age where he can make fairly good decisions. Some children achieve this at age 10 others at 22. Most children (and adults) are not intelligent and will make the same mistake over and over again. That's why throughout life, we ought to have someone who can patiently guide us along the right paths (our parents, mostly). Punishment (corporal or otherwise) is part and parcel of this guidance. Smack them! First, when you can't determine at which age a child or a person will be able to make a wise decision, can you be able to stop controlling? How can wisdom be identified in such a case? If you say that most people aren't intelligent how can you expect beatings to make them more intelligent? Whipping is about assuaging anger and guilt, not enlightening.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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danas10 wrote:jguru wrote:tycho wrote:What do you mean by 'children being free from their parents'? If you mean parents can control most of what a child does, then you aren't being truthful.
But if you mean make a child understand by continuous engagement and example, then I can agree with you. Children are intelligent and you don't have to force them into submission. @Tycho, you control what your child does until he/she is of an age where he can make fairly good decisions. Some children achieve this at age 10 others at 22. Most children (and adults) are not intelligent and will make the same mistake over and over again. That's why throughout life, we ought to have someone who can patiently guide us along the right paths (our parents, mostly). Punishment (corporal or otherwise) is part and parcel of this guidance. Smack them! ...besides, children respond differently. some have to be spanked, others, dialogue works. Know your children and treat them accordingly. Why do you assume that the parents don't respond differently to their children?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Euge wrote:tycho wrote:Euge wrote:tycho wrote:McReggae wrote:@CLK, I want to agree with you. Many parents today believe that their children have rights on everything, the other day I saw on KTN and parent complaining that her kid had been denied entry into a school because she had long hair. That school has over 500 pupils who have all obeyed this simple rule but to this parent the school was infringing on the rights of her daughter, we must believe in rules and we must raise our kids believing that they must abide by some rules, otherwise the result will be us running to Mavuno to vuna the little left in our kids!!!! @Mcreggae, things can't go back to the 'old days'. We live in a 'multicultural world' and if we don't know how to live in such times, how can we expect the children to know how to live? Schools shouldn't foster conformity, instead they should allow for diversity. @CLK, you were given corporal punishment because you were not in a free world. But the tide is now against oppressive relations. But you remember the issue you had while going for holiday? It's the same thing happening now, only this time you're on the 'righteous' side. And Mavuno is 'wrong'. Schools have rules and regulations and if the parents feel the rules do not serve their needs, they should look elsewhere or do home schooling. And yes. Schools should foster conformity. Coz as the kids grow, they have traffic rules to adhere to, the constitution, policies where they work etc... Conformity isn't a necessary ingredient for the following of traffic rules. Why go to school to learn how to conform? That's not education! Okay. Let your children set their own traffic rules. Your response is all positive; the only 'problem' is that your children go to Mavuno.
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