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Mavuno - Whats up?
tycho
#141 Posted : Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:36:22 PM
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Impunity wrote:
captain kirk wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Wainadi wrote:
Seems the church is highly regarded as a symbol of morality Judging by this and other discussions everywhere.


But it seems there is a movement to lower these expectations - and the most is from within. Almost as if it is in a self destruct mode.


Where is the Church? Is it here in Wazua? The more I look the more I fear that the Church doesn't exist. The institutions that lay claim to being the Church are full of accusations. One to the other.

Are you two exclusive or do you see other people?

Is @tycho a kenyan being?does he speak swahili?does he eat like everybody does?


@tycho is the wind. He blows across the continents, and his food is God's breath. What do you eat?
Angelica _ann
#142 Posted : Wednesday, February 26, 2014 5:51:01 PM
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Huyo tycho akipatikana na vijana wa ngeta, what will happen surely?
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
tycho
#143 Posted : Wednesday, February 26, 2014 6:03:37 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Huyo tycho akipatikana na vijana wa ngeta, what will happen surely?


Vijana wa ngeta wanataka nini?
Mukiri
#144 Posted : Wednesday, February 26, 2014 9:52:07 PM
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Buster wrote:
McReggae wrote:
washiku wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
team kusoma tu smile smile smile


Tuko wengismile smile


Yeah, wakishaingia thread inageuka inakuwa #kusomatucorner for many of us!!!!

Thought I was alone.

Sad And the way I wanted to share my take

Proverbs 19:21
tycho
#145 Posted : Thursday, February 27, 2014 11:10:33 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
Buster wrote:
McReggae wrote:
washiku wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
team kusoma tu smile smile smile


Tuko wengismile smile


Yeah, wakishaingia thread inageuka inakuwa #kusomatucorner for many of us!!!!

Thought I was alone.

Sad And the way I wanted to share my take


And what prevented you from doing so? And why haven't you said what you were dying to say on your post?
MKWASI
#146 Posted : Thursday, February 27, 2014 1:26:52 PM
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Wazuans should just respond to posts they understand. They should not be quick to gag others. If you can't understand pray that your peer(thought-wise or intellectually)posts and you respond. No need to infringe on wazuan's right to post, it is cardinal right enshrined in the Wazuan Constitution.
Angelica _ann
#147 Posted : Thursday, February 27, 2014 5:35:34 PM
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Threads should promote conversation and communication not monopoly and monolization!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
symbols
#148 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 1:36:43 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Threads should promote conversation and communication not monopoly and monolization!


Expound if you can.It might help find a common ground for respectful conversation and communication especially for the socially inept(well like me).
CLK
#149 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 7:27:02 AM
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I believe there is a generation of parents that let their guard down, those that currently have teenagers in their households, they that do not believe in corporal punishment, they that believe in being friends with their children, they that believe children have rights, and those rights include freedom to do sleepovers, go for parties.

Then we want to run to the Mavunos of this world,and ask them to vuna our lost sons and daughters.
Now i understand why my good old SDA church would not bend when it comes to trousers in church.

Honestly, these kids are having sex as early as 10, the parents are busy making money and conquering the world and losing the most important things, if you cannot afford the time to parent your kids, kindly take them to boarding schools.

Monitor what they watch on TV etc during the holidays, get to know their friends.

This video tells it all, tell me what they do during the night considering this was in broad daylight.

Made in Kenya
McReggae
#150 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 7:41:06 AM
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@CLK, I want to agree with you. Many parents today believe that their children have rights on everything, the other day I saw on KTN and parent complaining that her kid had been denied entry into a school because she had long hair. That school has over 500 pupils who have all obeyed this simple rule but to this parent the school was infringing on the rights of her daughter, we must believe in rules and we must raise our kids believing that they must abide by some rules, otherwise the result will be us running to Mavuno to vuna the little left in our kids!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
CLK
#151 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 8:00:34 AM
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Sadly some parents are even administering contraceptives for their daughters, you wonder why?
I still believe in the good old, where you were not supposed to go to your neighbour's house, you were not to be seen talking to a boy and we had curfew for 6pm, and breaking any rules would result in thorough beatings. And to top it all, we did not have a television and it was illegal to go watch it at the neighbor's.
danas10
#152 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 9:03:21 AM
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CLK wrote:
if you cannot afford the time to parent your kids, kindly take them to boarding schools.

Made in Kenya


@ CLK, I share your other sentiments, except the above. Kids as young as 6 years are being shipped to boarding schools, why? To some parents, its to get them out of the way so they can do whatever it is they want to do. Some parents have the best intention, but to a child, you always wonder why you are being taken away. I'd rather they remained seeds if parents wont be there to nurture them into adulthood. That's how kids come home and tell you, e.g. i knew i was gay when i was 7 or something else. Some do well, but others just withdraw and become indifferent. And you won't understand how it happened. Be there for your child(ren) if you choose to have kids. Maybe in high school you can take them to develop some other social skills.

I watched the video and all i could do was shake my head. I can't blame the teens. How did they develop such guts? You don't wake up one day and decide to disrespect yourself (which i think i what they are doing). It's a process. And parents have provided the most conducive environment for that to happen. IMHO, the poster from mavuno is just a reflection of parenting today.
Mukiri
#153 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 9:14:02 AM
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People take time to research, study et al when it comes to money matters. Sometimes doing so over a long period of time before execution. They make informed conscious choices.

Unfortunately, its not the same with their children and with their (and their children's) health. Every choice has a consequence. Its why we have 'How to lose weight' and 'How to change an errant child', 'How to...'

Someone once said here 'Majoring on the minors, and minoring on the majors'

Proverbs 19:21
tycho
#154 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 10:03:23 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Threads should promote conversation and communication not monopoly and monolization!


@Angelica, 'threads' can't do anything, it's what and how you do that makes threads the ideal you've described. Personally, I have a deep desire for conversation, and am usually surprised when am accused of 'monopoly' and 'monolizing'.

Kratos
#155 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 10:15:31 AM
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I am not quiet sure what the poster intended to achieve, but one thing I know IT"S WRONG!!! The day we start making the bible conform to our attitudes and behaviour rather than the opposite is the day we loose it.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
tycho
#156 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 10:22:44 AM
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McReggae wrote:
@CLK, I want to agree with you. Many parents today believe that their children have rights on everything, the other day I saw on KTN and parent complaining that her kid had been denied entry into a school because she had long hair. That school has over 500 pupils who have all obeyed this simple rule but to this parent the school was infringing on the rights of her daughter, we must believe in rules and we must raise our kids believing that they must abide by some rules, otherwise the result will be us running to Mavuno to vuna the little left in our kids!!!!


@Mcreggae, things can't go back to the 'old days'. We live in a 'multicultural world' and if we don't know how to live in such times, how can we expect the children to know how to live? Schools shouldn't foster conformity, instead they should allow for diversity.

@CLK, you were given corporal punishment because you were not in a free world. But the tide is now against oppressive relations. But you remember the issue you had while going for holiday? It's the same thing happening now, only this time you're on the 'righteous' side. And Mavuno is 'wrong'.
tycho
#157 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 10:26:40 AM
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Kratos wrote:
I am not quiet sure what the poster intended to achieve, but one thing I know IT"S WRONG!!! The day we start making the bible conform to our attitudes and behaviour rather than the opposite is the day we loose it.


If the Bible, or any other holy book doesn't conform to the values of the people who read them, why are there so many factions and religions?

It is when we follow your thinking that we lose it.
Kratos
#158 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 10:40:15 AM
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tycho wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@CLK, I want to agree with you. Many parents today believe that their children have rights on everything, the other day I saw on KTN and parent complaining that her kid had been denied entry into a school because she had long hair. That school has over 500 pupils who have all obeyed this simple rule but to this parent the school was infringing on the rights of her daughter, we must believe in rules and we must raise our kids believing that they must abide by some rules, otherwise the result will be us running to Mavuno to vuna the little left in our kids!!!!


@Mcreggae, things can't go back to the 'old days'. We live in a 'multicultural world' and if we don't know how to live in such times, how can we expect the children to know how to live? Schools shouldn't foster conformity, instead they should allow for diversity.

@CLK, you were given corporal punishment because you were not in a free world
. But the tide is now against oppressive relations. But you remember the issue you had while going for holiday? It's the same thing happening now, only this time you're on the 'righteous' side. And Mavuno is 'wrong'.


@ Tycho, so children are free from their parents?? Dude, that is not freedom and i know you may just write a complicated post to explain that. Do you know in some western countries they want to re-introduce corporal punishment? Anyway the bible says "Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them."

Nowadays "we" are too "learned" and "exposed" that we want to change the basics.

“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
Euge
#159 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 10:59:26 AM
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tycho wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@CLK, I want to agree with you. Many parents today believe that their children have rights on everything, the other day I saw on KTN and parent complaining that her kid had been denied entry into a school because she had long hair. That school has over 500 pupils who have all obeyed this simple rule but to this parent the school was infringing on the rights of her daughter, we must believe in rules and we must raise our kids believing that they must abide by some rules, otherwise the result will be us running to Mavuno to vuna the little left in our kids!!!!


@Mcreggae, things can't go back to the 'old days'. We live in a 'multicultural world' and if we don't know how to live in such times, how can we expect the children to know how to live? Schools shouldn't foster conformity, instead they should allow for diversity.

@CLK, you were given corporal punishment because you were not in a free world. But the tide is now against oppressive relations. But you remember the issue you had while going for holiday? It's the same thing happening now, only this time you're on the 'righteous' side. And Mavuno is 'wrong'.


Schools have rules and regulations and if the parents feel the rules do not serve their needs, they should look elsewhere or do home schooling.

And yes. Schools should foster conformity. Coz as the kids grow, they have traffic rules to adhere to, the constitution, policies where they work etc...
Lord, thank you!
tycho
#160 Posted : Friday, February 28, 2014 11:13:46 AM
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Kratos wrote:
tycho wrote:
McReggae wrote:
@CLK, I want to agree with you. Many parents today believe that their children have rights on everything, the other day I saw on KTN and parent complaining that her kid had been denied entry into a school because she had long hair. That school has over 500 pupils who have all obeyed this simple rule but to this parent the school was infringing on the rights of her daughter, we must believe in rules and we must raise our kids believing that they must abide by some rules, otherwise the result will be us running to Mavuno to vuna the little left in our kids!!!!


@Mcreggae, things can't go back to the 'old days'. We live in a 'multicultural world' and if we don't know how to live in such times, how can we expect the children to know how to live? Schools shouldn't foster conformity, instead they should allow for diversity.

@CLK, you were given corporal punishment because you were not in a free world
. But the tide is now against oppressive relations. But you remember the issue you had while going for holiday? It's the same thing happening now, only this time you're on the 'righteous' side. And Mavuno is 'wrong'.


@ Tycho, so children are free from their parents?? Dude, that is not freedom and i know you may just write a complicated post to explain that. Do you know in some western countries they want to re-introduce corporal punishment? Anyway the bible says "Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them."

Nowadays "we" are too "learned" and "exposed" that we want to change the basics.


What do you mean by 'children being free from their parents'? If you mean parents can control most of what a child does, then you aren't being truthful.

But if you mean make a child understand by continuous engagement and example, then I can agree with you. Children are intelligent and you don't have to force them into submission.
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