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tycho wrote:symbols wrote:tycho wrote:To look at 'God's' conflict, we may need to check Julian Jaynes' thoughts on the bicameral mind, and even our own thoughts. . . Go on... Jaynes is concerned about the origin of 'consciousness', and he posits that 'consciousness' has come out of the 'breakdown' of the bicameral mind. And that this breakdown is/was a result of the development of language; the manifestation of 'consciousness'. There are arguments to show that consciousness isn't necessary for concepts, thinking and reasoning. But what is necessary for 'life'? Consciousness? Perhaps something 'greater'? Consciousness is an act of creation. Consciousness isn't necessarily 'continuous'. Unless there's consciousness of consciousness- superconsciousness. Beyond fear. To be conscious, you live in, and by fear. There's light and darkness. I won't deny,it's a very interesting,complex and subtle concept.I'm still trying to wrap my mind around it.The state described reminds of a child.Developmental psychology has been on my mind for some time and a child exhibits similar traits in terms of thinking,reasoning and concepts.A state of awareness but not consciousness. I agree with the superconsciousness part and fear.I would describe it as a state of watching yourself observing yet still acting. I need to think about Jaynes more before I can ask on the conflict and 'life'.
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tycho wrote:'God' is a universal, and 'optimal strategy'.
Religion is a set of ideas, and patterns that conduce mind optimization and it thus follows that though religions may appear to be different they share a common intention and 'foundation'.
Beyond a certain age(for physical maturity),the mind is the only avenue for growth and religion does play a role in that.Is that the 'foundation' or intention you speak of?
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jokes wrote:
That is interesting..a definition of the church?
Please enlighten me.
@Muriel asked me in another thread if we could discuss the Church. The thread disappeared before I could respond. Here is my take: [I believe] the institution we call the Church is a delivery template that we use to convey the set of beliefs we collectively call religion, spirituality, faith etc. As with all man made templates, it is imperfect and prone to manipulation. But the greatest problem comes when we confuse the template for the content, the wrapper for the gift. History and recent events, including in Kenya, show that we have indeed done this. Thus there is a growing movement away from the Church, yet still retaining a commitment to spiritual objectives. I also think we should stop overloading this template with our high expectations. For instance, the Church is not meant to take us to heaven, no matter what your Pastor may say. Putting responsibility for our life here, or hereafter, on another is a cop out. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Muriel wrote:captain kirk wrote: Please don't tell her. I beseech thee, @danas. Thine plea availst nought. Nary. Thou wist not i hath a brain? Thou hast a dearth of durst, fere, ye ought to have besought me to wit. Teach not thy lip such scorn, for it was made for kissing , not for such contempt.
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captain kirk wrote:Muriel wrote:captain kirk wrote: Please don't tell her. I beseech thee, @danas. Thine plea availst nought. Nary. Thou wist not i hath a brain? Thou hast a dearth of durst, fere, ye ought to have besought me to wit. Teach not thy lip such scorn, for it was made for kissing , not for such contempt.  I shan't... Lakini kwanini mnarudishiana maneno hapo juu? @Muriel, it was on a light note that i provoked @captain. If you saw it too, take it easy and just smile it away. I doubt it requires this much energy
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danas10 wrote:captain kirk wrote:Muriel wrote:captain kirk wrote: Please don't tell her. I beseech thee, @danas. Thine plea availst nought. Nary. Thou wist not i hath a brain? Thou hast a dearth of durst, fere, ye ought to have besought me to wit. Teach not thy lip such scorn, for it was made for kissing , not for such contempt. I shan't... Lakini kwanini mnarudishiana maneno hapo juu? @Muriel, it was on a light note that i provoked @captain. If you saw it too, take it easy and just smile it away. I doubt it requires this much energy Thanks @danasπππ.
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Taken in context this is such a beautiful dance - the language - the expressions, oh! the class!
Captain, mmmwah. I hope we will wow team #kusomatukona some other time.
Danas, thank you for the brief interlude.
Admin, for some reason i cant sign in as i usually do with google. I am missing my appointments with brother Tycho, friends Symbols, Wakanyungi and others. I cant meet and discuss with them satisfartorily through the phone.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/28/2013 Posts: 178
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Muriel wrote:Taken in context this is such a beautiful dance - the language - the expressions, oh! the class!
Captain, mmmwah. I hope we will wow team #kusomatukona some other time.
Danas, thank you for the brief interlude.
Admin, for some reason i cant sign in as i usually do with google. I am missing my appointments with brother Tycho, friends Symbols, Wakanyungi and others. I cant meet and discuss with them satisfartorily through the phone. ππ
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symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:
@Muriel - I find it interesting that Cain was a 'naturer' and Abel a 'nurturer'.One brought forth the fruits of the 'accursed' ground and the other life that found sustenance from the very ground.I also assume Cain would be squeamish around blood.
I'm also curious of the implications of the question,"Am I my brother's keeper?" I want to hear your thoughts on Blavatsky,Daniel,Revelations,,,,,,,, I don't think 'philosophers' sit on pedestals but on stools.On denial,is it there by design or consequence?Possibly as a means to run away from truth?
Symbols, those are a lot of questions for me! Interesting terminology there! Quite catchy. Nice! Lets see,,,,,,,,,,, Who ought to have been more squeamish about the blood? Obviously the nurturer, the one who spent his time with the live animals. Picture putting a blade on the throat of an animal that just came to you by itself probably responding to your calls none the wiser of what you want to do. 1) And there is no record of Abel even once killing them for food. He in all likelihood ate what the eaters ate - seeds and fruit then later herbs. 2) And at that time he was not dumbed & numbed down, desensitized to killing, blood and death as we are today.3) And its interesting that the one 'squeamish' about blood ends up spilling blood anyway. His own brothers blood. Strange, dont you think? Next ,,,,,,,,, I think I should stop asking questions. I agree with number 2.I also think we've become so desensitized to killing as well as other atrocious acts.But these are the times we live in  I see your perspective.As it was said earlier,it might have been his way of reacting/reaching God through the object of his affection.I like the similarity between the first noted murder of a 'shepherd'. Next...go with your thoughts. Is that not the point I am also making. Twice in a row he did things his own way. And the response he got that he was seeking was 'Well done, Cain!' Right? No. Twice he was wrong. Next ,,,,,,
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Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:Muriel wrote:symbols wrote:
@Muriel - I find it interesting that Cain was a 'naturer' and Abel a 'nurturer'.One brought forth the fruits of the 'accursed' ground and the other life that found sustenance from the very ground.I also assume Cain would be squeamish around blood.
I'm also curious of the implications of the question,"Am I my brother's keeper?" I want to hear your thoughts on Blavatsky,Daniel,Revelations,,,,,,,, I don't think 'philosophers' sit on pedestals but on stools.On denial,is it there by design or consequence?Possibly as a means to run away from truth?
Symbols, those are a lot of questions for me! Interesting terminology there! Quite catchy. Nice! Lets see,,,,,,,,,,, Who ought to have been more squeamish about the blood? Obviously the nurturer, the one who spent his time with the live animals. Picture putting a blade on the throat of an animal that just came to you by itself probably responding to your calls none the wiser of what you want to do. 1) And there is no record of Abel even once killing them for food. He in all likelihood ate what the eaters ate - seeds and fruit then later herbs. 2) And at that time he was not dumbed & numbed down, desensitized to killing, blood and death as we are today.3) And its interesting that the one 'squeamish' about blood ends up spilling blood anyway. His own brothers blood. Strange, dont you think? Next ,,,,,,,,, I think I should stop asking questions. I agree with number 2.I also think we've become so desensitized to killing as well as other atrocious acts.But these are the times we live in I see your perspective.As it was said earlier,it might have been his way of reacting/reaching God through the object of his affection.I like the similarity between the first noted murder of a 'shepherd'. Next...go with your thoughts. Is that not the point I am also making. Twice in a row he did things his own way. And the response he got that he was seeking was 'Well done, Cain!' Right? No. Twice he was wrong. Next ,,,,,, No next.Thanks.
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