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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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@Mtu biz, you're right about the Gospel being contrary to the flesh. But everything other thing you've added is so much pro flesh. Otherwise your insistence that the poster implies sexual license, a verdict seemingly expressed by many couldn't be.
The spiritual battles within a teenager don't respect long clothes, or men who don't care about their looks. The battle is too sophisticated. Temptation is whispering in your ear, saying delightful things. And you're there smiling and willing to fall for the seducer. That is, this picture could as well be a depiction of Adam and Eve in the garden.
This picture means what you want it to mean, or what an interactive conversation would want it to mean.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:kollabo wrote:Only time will tell as to the fruitfulness what Mavuno is indulging in right now. Time? My friend, the only yardstick available to the slave of Christ with regard to what is Good and what is evil is the Bible. The question to ask is What does the bible say? and answer that questing with due regard to scriptural context. How i wonder will you measure the 'fruitfulness' of this ? Is it... The growth number of teens attending for example? SMH! By the Time Jesus the Christ Died he had 72 plus the 12 who could be identifiable as his disciples. What happened to the 5000 he fed, and the other 3000 ? and the thousands upon thousands of people who would follow him around everywhere ? Let me pause there... This is neither about waiting to see what happens, or claiming to know Scripture without truthful and loving conversation. 'Sola scriptura' was only a weapon against the Pope. After that not even Luther could avoid the grip of politics, culture and tradition. Mavuno owes its existence to this 'sola scriptura', so do the Jehovah's witness or whoever. So this yardstick is created in the living Church and not at some 'exclusive' school of theology.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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tycho wrote:@Mtu biz, you're right about the Gospel being contrary to the flesh. But everything other thing you've added is so much pro flesh. Otherwise your insistence that the poster implies sexual license, a verdict seemingly expressed by many couldn't be.
The spiritual battles within a teenager don't respect long clothes, or men who don't care about their looks. The battle is too sophisticated. Temptation is whispering in your ear, saying delightful things. And you're there smiling and willing to fall for the seducer. That is, this picture could as well be a depiction of Adam and Eve in the garden.
This picture means what you want it to mean, or what an interactive conversation would want it to mean. Ok... So the picture is neutral and any meaning can be derived from it. The picture means what you want it to mean... it is devoid of inherent meaning in and of itself. Sawa, that is the worldview of mr tycho. Everything is relative, no absolutes, lets debate and discuss our way to the truth right ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:@Mtu biz, you're right about the Gospel being contrary to the flesh. But everything other thing you've added is so much pro flesh. Otherwise your insistence that the poster implies sexual license, a verdict seemingly expressed by many couldn't be.
The spiritual battles within a teenager don't respect long clothes, or men who don't care about their looks. The battle is too sophisticated. Temptation is whispering in your ear, saying delightful things. And you're there smiling and willing to fall for the seducer. That is, this picture could as well be a depiction of Adam and Eve in the garden.
This picture means what you want it to mean, or what an interactive conversation would want it to mean. Ok... So the picture is neutral and any meaning can be derived from it. The picture means what you want it to mean... it is devoid of inherent meaning in and of itself. Sawa, that is the worldview of mr tycho. Everything is relative, no absolutes, lets debate and discuss our way to the truth right ? I don't think that what I've said translates to what you're trying to say. I could hardly take my thoughts to the inconsistency that your argument or claim implies. Like wouldn't the position you are positing imply an absolute relativity? I am only stating that any absolutes are mediated by communication not just between God and the individual, but amongst the 'commuinity'. The absolute that can love the unseen and the seen. If anything, now do you want to imply that you and many here know the absolute even without having the conversation here?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:@Mtu biz, you're right about the Gospel being contrary to the flesh. But everything other thing you've added is so much pro flesh. Otherwise your insistence that the poster implies sexual license, a verdict seemingly expressed by many couldn't be.
The spiritual battles within a teenager don't respect long clothes, or men who don't care about their looks. The battle is too sophisticated. Temptation is whispering in your ear, saying delightful things. And you're there smiling and willing to fall for the seducer. That is, this picture could as well be a depiction of Adam and Eve in the garden.
This picture means what you want it to mean, or what an interactive conversation would want it to mean. Ok... So the picture is neutral and any meaning can be derived from it. The picture means what you want it to mean... it is devoid of inherent meaning in and of itself. Sawa, that is the worldview of mr tycho. Everything is relative, no absolutes, lets debate and discuss our way to the truth right ? I don't think that what I've said translates to what you're trying to say. I could hardly take my thoughts to the inconsistency that your argument or claim implies. Like wouldn't the position you are positing imply an absolute relativity? I am only stating that any absolutes are mediated by communication not just between God and the individual, but amongst the 'commuinity'. The absolute that can love the unseen and the seen. If anything, now do you want to imply that you and many here know the absolute even without having the conversation here? I know there are absolutes some very simple e.g. If you get cut, you bleed. The picture could have other meanings but in this context, it had a specific meaning and it was intentionally chosen to communicate its relevant message. It was not a mistake, an 'oops-did-not-mean-that' picture.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:@Mtu biz, you're right about the Gospel being contrary to the flesh. But everything other thing you've added is so much pro flesh. Otherwise your insistence that the poster implies sexual license, a verdict seemingly expressed by many couldn't be.
The spiritual battles within a teenager don't respect long clothes, or men who don't care about their looks. The battle is too sophisticated. Temptation is whispering in your ear, saying delightful things. And you're there smiling and willing to fall for the seducer. That is, this picture could as well be a depiction of Adam and Eve in the garden.
This picture means what you want it to mean, or what an interactive conversation would want it to mean. Ok... So the picture is neutral and any meaning can be derived from it. The picture means what you want it to mean... it is devoid of inherent meaning in and of itself. Sawa, that is the worldview of mr tycho. Everything is relative, no absolutes, lets debate and discuss our way to the truth right ? I don't think that what I've said translates to what you're trying to say. I could hardly take my thoughts to the inconsistency that your argument or claim implies. Like wouldn't the position you are positing imply an absolute relativity? I am only stating that any absolutes are mediated by communication not just between God and the individual, but amongst the 'commuinity'. The absolute that can love the unseen and the seen. If anything, now do you want to imply that you and many here know the absolute even without having the conversation here? Please confirm that you want to stand by the words in bold above before i respond.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/15/2012 Posts: 1,110
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tycho wrote:I don't think that this poster warrants the negative reactions and condemnation given so far. If anything, I think it's an application of what advertisers are taught to use to get customers. For example, a similar poster could be used to 'lure' youngsters to cigarette smoking or some other lifestyle product like alcohol. So why shouldn't Mavuno compete with these 'well advertised' products?
The evil some of us are seeing is basically the evil in our hearts.
You've hit the nail on the head. People bitching about nothing. Some of them don't even go to church yet they're lecturing us about what churches should do and should not do! They're pharisees. Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/28/2013 Posts: 178
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This is what takes place when the congregation is told to close their eyes.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:@Mtu biz, you're right about the Gospel being contrary to the flesh. But everything other thing you've added is so much pro flesh. Otherwise your insistence that the poster implies sexual license, a verdict seemingly expressed by many couldn't be.
The spiritual battles within a teenager don't respect long clothes, or men who don't care about their looks. The battle is too sophisticated. Temptation is whispering in your ear, saying delightful things. And you're there smiling and willing to fall for the seducer. That is, this picture could as well be a depiction of Adam and Eve in the garden.
This picture means what you want it to mean, or what an interactive conversation would want it to mean. Ok... So the picture is neutral and any meaning can be derived from it. The picture means what you want it to mean... it is devoid of inherent meaning in and of itself. Sawa, that is the worldview of mr tycho. Everything is relative, no absolutes, lets debate and discuss our way to the truth right ? I don't think that what I've said translates to what you're trying to say. I could hardly take my thoughts to the inconsistency that your argument or claim implies. Like wouldn't the position you are positing imply an absolute relativity? I am only stating that any absolutes are mediated by communication not just between God and the individual, but amongst the 'commuinity'. The absolute that can love the unseen and the seen. If anything, now do you want to imply that you and many here know the absolute even without having the conversation here? I know there are absolutes some very simple e.g. If you get cut, you bleed. The picture could have other meanings but in this context, it had a specific meaning and it was intentionally chosen to communicate its relevant message. It was not a mistake, an 'oops-did-not-mean-that' picture. Nothing could be further from the truth. If I take Mr. Ndung'u's corpse and cut it, won't it also bleed? What entails the perfect communication that you seem to believe in? Again, why does having a specific meaning exclude moments of 'I didn't mean that?'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:Mtu Biz wrote:tycho wrote:@Mtu biz, you're right about the Gospel being contrary to the flesh. But everything other thing you've added is so much pro flesh. Otherwise your insistence that the poster implies sexual license, a verdict seemingly expressed by many couldn't be.
The spiritual battles within a teenager don't respect long clothes, or men who don't care about their looks. The battle is too sophisticated. Temptation is whispering in your ear, saying delightful things. And you're there smiling and willing to fall for the seducer. That is, this picture could as well be a depiction of Adam and Eve in the garden.
This picture means what you want it to mean, or what an interactive conversation would want it to mean. Ok... So the picture is neutral and any meaning can be derived from it. The picture means what you want it to mean... it is devoid of inherent meaning in and of itself. Sawa, that is the worldview of mr tycho. Everything is relative, no absolutes, lets debate and discuss our way to the truth right ? I don't think that what I've said translates to what you're trying to say. I could hardly take my thoughts to the inconsistency that your argument or claim implies. Like wouldn't the position you are positing imply an absolute relativity? I am only stating that any absolutes are mediated by communication not just between God and the individual, but amongst the 'commuinity'. The absolute that can love the unseen and the seen. If anything, now do you want to imply that you and many here know the absolute even without having the conversation here? Please confirm that you want to stand by the words in bold above before i respond. Is this a threat or what? Make your move.
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