At least with these other fellows after customers, we know their end is profits. Why is Mavuno competing with worldly products in the first place? Subliminal messages are dangerous; The poster surreptitiously fuses messages from the world of erotica and hip-hop. These are not models of morality. How able are they to look people in the eye and tell them -fornicating is a sin. How can they ask the youth not to fall into this trap when the poster pinned to the door says otherwise?

Criticism is good. It's an attempt at understanding. Problems arise when we lack optimal tools of understanding.

I have no problem with people propagating whatever in whichever way they wish.

BUT

If you are going to call what you are doing preaching THE Gospel or Teaching and Instructing in righteousness with the bible as the basis then you have to conform to scripture.

Why don't people just go ahead and start a 'positive thinking your best life now' religion like Oprah, they can call it MAVUNINSANITY or whatever and have akina Oprah, Joel Osteen , Deepak Chopra and others of this genres content as their scriptures... they can then hypnotize and high five themselves in their seminars and conferences till they are blue in the face.... they can compete with akina tahiti and apple bees in their posters to capture their target audience and stay 'relevant'.

Why drag the bible and Jesus the Christ into all this?

A teen in 2014 looking for truth is under no illusions about sex physically but is probably lost with regard to sex in its proper context.

So you fill a Church with teens drawn by a sexually suggestive poster to then lead them to the way of truth?

How?

The very nature of the Gospel goes contrary to the flesh in every way.. how then can you use devices of the flesh to lead anyone to the truth of the Gospel?

There is no precedent to this in all of scripture nor is it there in church history.

Consider this text,

2nd Peter 2
Peter talking about false teachers

Sisemi kitu.

Time?

My friend, the only yardstick available to the slave of Christ with regard to what is Good and what is evil is the Bible.

The question to ask is What does the bible say? and answer that questing with due regard to scriptural context.

How i wonder will you measure the 'fruitfulness' of this ?

Is it...

The growth number of teens attending for example?

SMH!

By the Time Jesus the Christ Died he had 72 plus the 12 who could be identifiable as his disciples.

What happened to the 5000 he fed, and the other 3000 ? and the thousands upon thousands of people who would follow him around everywhere ?

Let me pause there...

This is neither about waiting to see what happens, or claiming to know Scripture without truthful and loving conversation. 'Sola scriptura' was only a weapon against the Pope. After that not even Luther could avoid the grip of politics, culture and tradition. Mavuno owes its existence to this 'sola scriptura', so do the Jehovah's witness or whoever.

So this yardstick is created in the living Church and not at some 'exclusive' school of theology.

I don't think that what I've said translates to what you're trying to say. I could hardly take my thoughts to the inconsistency that your argument or claim implies. Like wouldn't the position you are positing imply an absolute relativity?

I am only stating that any absolutes are mediated by communication not just between God and the individual, but amongst the 'commuinity'. The absolute that can love the unseen and the seen.

If anything, now do you want to imply that you and many here know the absolute even without having the conversation here?

Please confirm that you want to stand by the words in bold above before i respond.

This is what takes place when the congregation is told to close their eyes.

Is this a threat or what? Make your move.