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Swenani wrote:I used to enjoy my wet dreams.I could basically sleep with any girl i wanted You were warned to avoid fish and bread stories if are to win @kysse. Wewe endelea tu. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 297 Location: Nairobi
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ZMA (Zinc monomethionine and aspartate and Magnesium Aspartate) anything/foods you are consuming that are similar to ZMA would give you vivid dreams, ama testerone ndio imejaa kwa mwili!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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Foz00 wrote:ZMA (Zinc monomethionine and aspartate and Magnesium Aspartate) anything/foods you are consuming that are similar to ZMA would give you vivid dreams, ama testerone ndio imejaa kwa mwili! Wapi ushahidi? Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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radio wrote:seppuku wrote:Okay, let's now put this another way. Anyone here who simply CAN'T identify with this type of experience? Mimi, I hardly dream! I can't even remember the last time I dreamed! I'm normal! Except as a kid, I had those where some scary animal/person is chasing you but the feet won't run. I don't remember controlling or even trying to. I remember reading somewhere that everyone dreams, only some people don't (always) remember what they dreamed - or even that they dreamed. Even blind people (blind from birth) dream, but in audio only. The converse is true for the deaf. Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,236 Location: Vacuum
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seppuku wrote:radio wrote:seppuku wrote:Okay, let's now put this another way. Anyone here who simply CAN'T identify with this type of experience? Mimi, I hardly dream! I can't even remember the last time I dreamed! I'm normal! Except as a kid, I had those where some scary animal/person is chasing you but the feet won't run. I don't remember controlling or even trying to. I remember reading somewhere that everyone dreams, only some people don't (always) remember what they dreamed - or even that they dreamed. Even blind people (blind from birth) dream, but in audio only. The converse is true for the deaf. Read 2.2, very scary http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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Swenani wrote:seppuku wrote:radio wrote:seppuku wrote:Okay, let's now put this another way. Anyone here who simply CAN'T identify with this type of experience? Mimi, I hardly dream! I can't even remember the last time I dreamed! I'm normal! Except as a kid, I had those where some scary animal/person is chasing you but the feet won't run. I don't remember controlling or even trying to. I remember reading somewhere that everyone dreams, only some people don't (always) remember what they dreamed - or even that they dreamed. Even blind people (blind from birth) dream, but in audio only. The converse is true for the deaf. Read 2.2, very scary http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html
Interesting. Very interesting. I will take the liberty of quoting directly from the article. Quote:2.2 CAN LUCID DREAMING BE DANGEROUS?
The overwhelming majority of lucid dreams are positive, rewarding experiences. Moreover, lucidity in unpleasant dreams or nightmares can transform habitual fear into conscious courage. The simple state of lucidity is frequently enough to elevate the mood of a dreamer in a nightmare. In a study of the effect of lucid dreams on mood, college students reported that realizing they were dreaming in a nightmare helped them feel better about 60 percent of the time. Lucidity was seven times more likely to make nightmares better than worse.
A parallel concern is that dying in a dream can cause death in reality. If this were true, how would we know? Anyone who died from a dream could not tell us about its content. Many people, after awakening alive, report having died in their dreams with no ill effect. Dreams of death can actually be insightful experiences about life, rebirth, and transcendence.
Some people believe that dreams are messages from the unconscious mind and should not be consciously altered. Modern research on dreaming, discussed further in chapter 5 of EWLD, suggests that dreams are not messages, but models of the world. While awake, sensory and perceptual information governs our model. While dreaming, our bodies are paralyzed and our brain builds a world model based on a secondary source; namely, our assumptions, motivations, and expectations. These biases are difficult to identify while awake, so a world based entirely on such biases, the world of dreams, can help us to recognize them. Thus, dreams are not messages, but are more like clues into the inner workings of our minds. The conscious and critical awareness that accompanies lucid dreams allows dreamers to thoughtfully interpret their dreams while they happen.
Finally, some people worry that lucid dreams are so exciting and pleasurable that they will become addicted and "sleep their life away." There is a biological obstacle to living in lucid dreams: we have a limited amount of REM sleep. More importantly, lucid dreams can be inspirations for how to act and improve in reality. Your behavior strongly influences your experience in both worlds. Lucid dreams can be signposts for how you can make your waking reality more exciting and enjoyable. People actually die in their dreams, lucid or otherwise? Someone tell us about that. Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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seppuku wrote:Swenani wrote:seppuku wrote:radio wrote:seppuku wrote:Okay, let's now put this another way. Anyone here who simply CAN'T identify with this type of experience? Mimi, I hardly dream! I can't even remember the last time I dreamed! I'm normal! Except as a kid, I had those where some scary animal/person is chasing you but the feet won't run. I don't remember controlling or even trying to. I remember reading somewhere that everyone dreams, only some people don't (always) remember what they dreamed - or even that they dreamed. Even blind people (blind from birth) dream, but in audio only. The converse is true for the deaf. Read 2.2, very scary http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html
Interesting. Very interesting. I will take the liberty of quoting directly from the article. Quote:2.2 CAN LUCID DREAMING BE DANGEROUS?
The overwhelming majority of lucid dreams are positive, rewarding experiences. Moreover, lucidity in unpleasant dreams or nightmares can transform habitual fear into conscious courage. The simple state of lucidity is frequently enough to elevate the mood of a dreamer in a nightmare. In a study of the effect of lucid dreams on mood, college students reported that realizing they were dreaming in a nightmare helped them feel better about 60 percent of the time. Lucidity was seven times more likely to make nightmares better than worse.
A parallel concern is that dying in a dream can cause death in reality. If this were true, how would we know? Anyone who died from a dream could not tell us about its content. Many people, after awakening alive, report having died in their dreams with no ill effect. Dreams of death can actually be insightful experiences about life, rebirth, and transcendence.
Some people believe that dreams are messages from the unconscious mind and should not be consciously altered. Modern research on dreaming, discussed further in chapter 5 of EWLD, suggests that dreams are not messages, but models of the world. While awake, sensory and perceptual information governs our model. While dreaming, our bodies are paralyzed and our brain builds a world model based on a secondary source; namely, our assumptions, motivations, and expectations. These biases are difficult to identify while awake, so a world based entirely on such biases, the world of dreams, can help us to recognize them. Thus, dreams are not messages, but are more like clues into the inner workings of our minds. The conscious and critical awareness that accompanies lucid dreams allows dreamers to thoughtfully interpret their dreams while they happen.
Finally, some people worry that lucid dreams are so exciting and pleasurable that they will become addicted and "sleep their life away." There is a biological obstacle to living in lucid dreams: we have a limited amount of REM sleep. More importantly, lucid dreams can be inspirations for how to act and improve in reality. Your behavior strongly influences your experience in both worlds. Lucid dreams can be signposts for how you can make your waking reality more exciting and enjoyable. People actually die in their dreams, lucid or otherwise? Someone tell us about that. I find the highlighted aspect particularly valuable, as I think I mentioned in my original post. Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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As for "dying in a dream causing death in reality", it seems a better proposition to me than "dying in a reality causing death in reality". Needless to say, it is a far worse proposition than not dying at all! Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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seppuku wrote:mkeiy wrote:I used to enjoy such dreams especially the age between 12 and 17 years. Those years, 99% of my dreams were controlled. The part i liked the most was when trying to run in a dream but i couldn't, i would tell myself it's a dream and i needed to straighten my legs and instantly i would stretch my legs and be able to run and fly.
The easiest to control for me are fight dreams, no one beats me in them.
The hardest ones to control have always been of eating fish. I always wake up before the fish is served. Nkt! You, my friend, are at another level! Oneironaut perhaps? Oneiro,,,what? Then there is another set of dreams, za kishenzi hizi. They come in the morning just before i wake up. Whenever they come [they seldom do] when i extend my sleep,a sort of dark cloud/thing hovers above me,the body gets numb, can't move or scream even though i know i'm dreaming. These ones, zero control. Good thing about them, they have meaning. Whenever i have such a dream, sooner than later, i'm faced with a challenge. They sort of prepare me.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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mkeiy wrote:seppuku wrote:mkeiy wrote:I used to enjoy such dreams especially the age between 12 and 17 years. Those years, 99% of my dreams were controlled. The part i liked the most was when trying to run in a dream but i couldn't, i would tell myself it's a dream and i needed to straighten my legs and instantly i would stretch my legs and be able to run and fly.
The easiest to control for me are fight dreams, no one beats me in them.
The hardest ones to control have always been of eating fish. I always wake up before the fish is served. Nkt! You, my friend, are at another level! Oneironaut perhaps? Oneiro,,,what? Then there is another set of dreams, za kishenzi hizi. They come in the morning just before i wake up. Whenever they come [they seldom do] when i extend my sleep,a sort of dark cloud/thing hovers above me,the body gets numb, can't move or scream even though i know i'm dreaming. These ones, zero control. Good thing about them, they have meaning. Whenever i have such a dream, sooner than later, i'm faced with a challenge. They sort of prepare me. The thing about getting numb is the body's mechanism to protect you - just in case you jump or throw a punch and injure yourself or someone while dreaming. Happens to me all the time and I am sure to many others as well. The first time I experienced the sensation I was actually quite alarmed. Maneno ya mawingu ndio sielewi. Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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seppuku wrote:mkeiy wrote:seppuku wrote:mkeiy wrote:I used to enjoy such dreams especially the age between 12 and 17 years. Those years, 99% of my dreams were controlled. The part i liked the most was when trying to run in a dream but i couldn't, i would tell myself it's a dream and i needed to straighten my legs and instantly i would stretch my legs and be able to run and fly.
The easiest to control for me are fight dreams, no one beats me in them.
The hardest ones to control have always been of eating fish. I always wake up before the fish is served. Nkt! You, my friend, are at another level! Oneironaut perhaps? Oneiro,,,what? Then there is another set of dreams, za kishenzi hizi. They come in the morning just before i wake up. Whenever they come [they seldom do] when i extend my sleep,a sort of dark cloud/thing hovers above me,the body gets numb, can't move or scream even though i know i'm dreaming. These ones, zero control. Good thing about them, they have meaning. Whenever i have such a dream, sooner than later, i'm faced with a challenge. They sort of prepare me. The thing about getting numb is the body's mechanism to protect you - just in case you jump or throw a punch and injure yourself or someone while dreaming. Happens to me all the time and I am sure to many others as well. The first time I experienced the sensation I was actually quite alarmed. Maneno ya mawingu ndio sielewi. It's not a cloud so to speak but a dark thing, i would say like a dark cloud. It hovers over my head and its only in such kishenzi dreams that i have zero control over my dreams. They are repetitive and kind of warns me. Its also through dreams, i get to know i'm sick. That's how i used to know i have malaria but the symptoms.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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seppuku wrote:seppuku wrote:Swenani wrote:seppuku wrote:radio wrote:seppuku wrote:Okay, let's now put this another way. Anyone here who simply CAN'T identify with this type of experience? Mimi, I hardly dream! I can't even remember the last time I dreamed! I'm normal! Except as a kid, I had those where some scary animal/person is chasing you but the feet won't run. I don't remember controlling or even trying to. I remember reading somewhere that everyone dreams, only some people don't (always) remember what they dreamed - or even that they dreamed. Even blind people (blind from birth) dream, but in audio only. The converse is true for the deaf. Read 2.2, very scary http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html
Interesting. Very interesting. I will take the liberty of quoting directly from the article. Quote:2.2 CAN LUCID DREAMING BE DANGEROUS?
The overwhelming majority of lucid dreams are positive, rewarding experiences. Moreover, lucidity in unpleasant dreams or nightmares can transform habitual fear into conscious courage. The simple state of lucidity is frequently enough to elevate the mood of a dreamer in a nightmare. In a study of the effect of lucid dreams on mood, college students reported that realizing they were dreaming in a nightmare helped them feel better about 60 percent of the time. Lucidity was seven times more likely to make nightmares better than worse.
A parallel concern is that dying in a dream can cause death in reality. If this were true, how would we know? Anyone who died from a dream could not tell us about its content. Many people, after awakening alive, report having died in their dreams with no ill effect. Dreams of death can actually be insightful experiences about life, rebirth, and transcendence.
Some people believe that dreams are messages from the unconscious mind and should not be consciously altered. Modern research on dreaming, discussed further in chapter 5 of EWLD, suggests that dreams are not messages, but models of the world. While awake, sensory and perceptual information governs our model. While dreaming, our bodies are paralyzed and our brain builds a world model based on a secondary source; namely, our assumptions, motivations, and expectations. These biases are difficult to identify while awake, so a world based entirely on such biases, the world of dreams, can help us to recognize them. Thus, dreams are not messages, but are more like clues into the inner workings of our minds. The conscious and critical awareness that accompanies lucid dreams allows dreamers to thoughtfully interpret their dreams while they happen.
Finally, some people worry that lucid dreams are so exciting and pleasurable that they will become addicted and "sleep their life away." There is a biological obstacle to living in lucid dreams: we have a limited amount of REM sleep. More importantly, lucid dreams can be inspirations for how to act and improve in reality. Your behavior strongly influences your experience in both worlds. Lucid dreams can be signposts for how you can make your waking reality more exciting and enjoyable. People actually die in their dreams, lucid or otherwise? Someone tell us about that. I find the highlighted aspect particularly valuable, as I think I mentioned in my original post. At some point I stopped running and fighting and faced my enemies because I didn't like the fear from running or the anger from fighting.I have been killed enough times.Sometimes I like to just sit and watch unmoved by the events. My advice,try and not to use it to satisfy your desires or quench your thirst for power.It embeds into your subconscious as it is a real experience(in its own way) and it will transfer to the waking world.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 846
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masukuma wrote:mkeiy wrote:I used to enjoy such dreams especially the age between 12 and 17 years. Those years, 99% of my dreams were controlled. The part i liked the most was when trying to run in a dream but i couldn't, i would tell myself it's a dream and i needed to straighten my legs and instantly i would stretch my legs and be able to run and fly.
The easiest to control for me are fight dreams, no one beats me in them.
The hardest ones to control have always been of eating fish. I always wake up before the fish is served. Nkt! those dreams man!! i used to have dreams where I would go to a bush and pee.... wololo!! Woooiii.... only that you actually wet your bed, pole...
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 846
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I dream daily, at times i wake up and go back to sleep and continue the dreams but mostly its related to whatever is happening around me during the day, thoughts etc, like now i have been having nightmarish ones after watching enough series last couple of days.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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I love it when I have a lucid dream. The last few lucid dreams have been pretty intense, and they have either left me laughing aloud and sweating or fearful and sweating. Then it takes me like three days to understand the 'world model's' or 'message' they contain.
Like there's dream whose lesson I found today, like after two weeks of 'mulling'. The lesson was, 'Pretend to be dead so that you may live'.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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CLK wrote:masukuma wrote:mkeiy wrote:I used to enjoy such dreams especially the age between 12 and 17 years. Those years, 99% of my dreams were controlled. The part i liked the most was when trying to run in a dream but i couldn't, i would tell myself it's a dream and i needed to straighten my legs and instantly i would stretch my legs and be able to run and fly.
The easiest to control for me are fight dreams, no one beats me in them.
The hardest ones to control have always been of eating fish. I always wake up before the fish is served. Nkt! those dreams man!! i used to have dreams where I would go to a bush and pee.... wololo!! Woooiii.... only that you actually wet your bed, pole... maze!! but that was in Prima/Primo All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,883
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seppuku wrote:mkeiy wrote:seppuku wrote:mkeiy wrote:I used to enjoy such dreams especially the age between 12 and 17 years. Those years, 99% of my dreams were controlled. The part i liked the most was when trying to run in a dream but i couldn't, i would tell myself it's a dream and i needed to straighten my legs and instantly i would stretch my legs and be able to run and fly.
The easiest to control for me are fight dreams, no one beats me in them.
The hardest ones to control have always been of eating fish. I always wake up before the fish is served. Nkt! You, my friend, are at another level! Oneironaut perhaps? Oneiro,,,what? Then there is another set of dreams, za kishenzi hizi. They come in the morning just before i wake up. Whenever they come [they seldom do] when i extend my sleep,a sort of dark cloud/thing hovers above me,the body gets numb, can't move or scream even though i know i'm dreaming. These ones, zero control. Good thing about them, they have meaning. Whenever i have such a dream, sooner than later, i'm faced with a challenge. They sort of prepare me. The thing about getting numb is the body's mechanism to protect you - just in case you jump or throw a punch and injure yourself or someone while dreaming. Happens to me all the time and I am sure to many others as well. The first time I experienced the sensation I was actually quite alarmed. Maneno ya mawingu ndio sielewi. think it happens when you wake up from a dream, mostly nightmare, and your body/brain/whatever hasn't 'realised' so you're still frozen but have carried your nightmare into the real world. in such scenario there at times could be some monster just about to pounce on you. all you have to do is move just one part of your body and the spell is broken. at times it stops only to start again - talk of vicious circle of nightmares.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/3/2010 Posts: 1,797 Location: Kenya
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tycho ...click here  I may be wrong..but then I could be right
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/27/2012 Posts: 851 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:
My advice,try and not to use it to satisfy your desires or quench your thirst for power.It embeds into your subconscious as it is a real experience(in its own way) and it will transfer to the waking world.
@symbols, I've flown since i was 12 years old and i always love it. What do you mean it "embeds" into subconscious? That subconscious you are talking about knows the difference between dream world and real world. However, if the experiences one has in dreams can be had in real life,then embedding could happening. E.g landing.
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Rank: User Joined: 8/15/2013 Posts: 13,236 Location: Vacuum
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You people have funny dreams, are your normal? If Obiero did it, Who Am I?
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