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Tycho, brother,
assuming Cain didnt know ,,,,,,,, a weighty word there - 'assuming'. It implies uncertainty. Perhaps Cain knew. In all probability he knew. It is more logical that he knew than that he did not know. Remember he did not make a 'mistake'.
yes its about 'am i my bothers keeper?'. After all this Abel stil talked whith his brother, no, Cain talked with his brother. What could the conversation have been but 'what happened?'. Is it not logical? They were in the field, perhaps they were sitting on the grass, lazily chewing soft grass stalks. Then Cain rose up ,,,,,,,,
its about being my brothers keeper, brother.
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tycho wrote:jokes wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Did it? You have made me to study hard my statements. lol. But I don't see where. It, indeed, is about thought. Thoughts and actions are inseperable. Thoughts precede actions. Si hapa we are working backward from the actions to see the most logical and probable thoughts? Would it make a difference if I added the highlighted parts ,,,,,,,,, Quote:Cain: Could he have recognised the anti-type in the type and still wonder nevertheless about the problem? I posit not. It is because he did not think much of the anti-type in the type that he wondered his wonderings and so brought fruits. How do you see it? He must have known about the anti-type because: 1) the eaters must have talked to both of them about it because: 1') Abel indicated he had grasped it and because1'') Cain carried it out partially Of course I am just speculating. You have given me a huge responsibility of proving guilt. Its too big for me, I can't do it. BTW, ile maneno yetu ingine ya the eaters being students ilienda wapi? Tulifika wapi? @Muriel, we need to establish what 'thinking much of something' entails. In my opinion, it is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Such that, all 'much thought' is ultimately 'self reflection'. See? Self reflection is study. Student. The altar is not for the thoughtless, for therein lies ultimate knowledge and power. Conversing with 'God' entails 'much thought'. And this not only means knowledge and full awareness of identity but also deliberate action. Okay, 'thinking much of something' is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Or merely relating to the object of thought. How you relate to the object of thought. Is it higher or lower as you observe from your point of view? He did not think much of = he thought low of = it was not a priority. List. Relation. Placement. From there I get a whiff of a 'sneaky redirect'. It has become 'much thought'? It is 'thinking much of something'. Relating. Placement. Then what was Cain's prime concern if 'God' was of lower priority? Whatever the prime concern (thought) was, the result (actions) was not good. And I say, there can be no higher thought than 'God'. Good and evil. Knowledge. Assuming that Cain didn't know, and that this whole matter was of mistaken identity is to absolve Cain. 'Am I my brother's keeper?' I know i will rub some people the wrong way but here goes. these are the scenarios: The cause was God. Gods love for Abel caused Cains reactions. He thought of the problem and the problem was God. His favour of Abel over him. He could not solve the problem and opted to remove the object of Gods love. Another scenario is due to a fault in his psyche he was unable to solve the conflict he encountered and resolved mistakenly to eliminate the symptom instead of confronting the solution and asking WHY? Cain made no mistake. He struck at the heart of the matter. God has internal conflict just like Man. Now i know why philosophers complicate their language. Some Knowledge is better left to those who understand.
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congratulations to you Tycho Muriel symbols et al. your discussion has helped me accept what i have always known to be the truth. didn't know there were others who thought the same.
But i would like to understand the tower of babel and its relation to God and MAn, over to you
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Muriel, did God know that Cain was about to commit a murder?
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jokes wrote:congratulations to you Tycho Muriel symbols et al. your discussion has helped me accept what i have always known to be the truth. didn't know there were others who thought the same.
But i would like to understand the tower of babel and its relation to God and MAn, over to you Tower of Babel is another interesting thing to talk about. Man, there is so much to read and study! Can we add it to the queue?: 1. The eaters / students 2. Cain 3. Daniel 4. Revelation 5. H.P Blavatsky 6. Annie Besant 7. Babel 8. ,,,,,,, Tycho, what say you?
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jokes wrote:tycho wrote:jokes wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:Did it? You have made me to study hard my statements. lol. But I don't see where. It, indeed, is about thought. Thoughts and actions are inseperable. Thoughts precede actions. Si hapa we are working backward from the actions to see the most logical and probable thoughts? Would it make a difference if I added the highlighted parts ,,,,,,,,, Quote:Cain: Could he have recognised the anti-type in the type and still wonder nevertheless about the problem? I posit not. It is because he did not think much of the anti-type in the type that he wondered his wonderings and so brought fruits. How do you see it? He must have known about the anti-type because: 1) the eaters must have talked to both of them about it because: 1') Abel indicated he had grasped it and because1'') Cain carried it out partially Of course I am just speculating. You have given me a huge responsibility of proving guilt. Its too big for me, I can't do it. BTW, ile maneno yetu ingine ya the eaters being students ilienda wapi? Tulifika wapi? @Muriel, we need to establish what 'thinking much of something' entails. In my opinion, it is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Such that, all 'much thought' is ultimately 'self reflection'. See? Self reflection is study. Student. The altar is not for the thoughtless, for therein lies ultimate knowledge and power. Conversing with 'God' entails 'much thought'. And this not only means knowledge and full awareness of identity but also deliberate action. Okay, 'thinking much of something' is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Or merely relating to the object of thought. How you relate to the object of thought. Is it higher or lower as you observe from your point of view? He did not think much of = he thought low of = it was not a priority. List. Relation. Placement. From there I get a whiff of a 'sneaky redirect'. It has become 'much thought'? It is 'thinking much of something'. Relating. Placement. Then what was Cain's prime concern if 'God' was of lower priority? Whatever the prime concern (thought) was, the result (actions) was not good. And I say, there can be no higher thought than 'God'. Good and evil. Knowledge. Assuming that Cain didn't know, and that this whole matter was of mistaken identity is to absolve Cain. 'Am I my brother's keeper?' I know i will rub some people the wrong way but here goes. these are the scenarios: The cause was God. Gods love for Abel caused Cains reactions. He thought of the problem and the problem was God. His favour of Abel over him. He could not solve the problem and opted to remove the object of Gods love. Another scenario is due to a fault in his psyche he was unable to solve the conflict he encountered and resolved mistakenly to eliminate the symptom instead of confronting the solution and asking WHY? Cain made no mistake. He struck at the heart of the matter. God has internal conflict just like Man. Now i know why philosophers complicate their language. Some Knowledge is better left to those who understand. Laugh Laugh Its time to demolish that pedestal. Everyone ought to know.
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tycho wrote:Muriel, did God know that Cain was about to commit a murder? Is it a trick question? I have pre-prepared some responses just in case. Quote:If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin (transgression of the law, of which one is don't kill) lieth at the door. Are you getting at why the question was then asked where is Abel?
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tycho wrote:danas10 wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:kysse wrote:tycho wrote:butterflyke wrote:@tycho, i wake up in the morning, get on with my day and somewhere along the day the lemons and oranges in lemon skin appear.
@kysse, join this philosophical train! Have I ever had lemons in my life? What is it about lemons that is 'painful'? Or what's 'undesirable'? But I have seen someone devour lemons. Lemons look like oranges. As a child they used to give me problems, these two. How did I learn to differentiate them? Then there are those who choose oranges that taste like lemons. Like me. And they get angry. The problem is ignorance. That's why Amadeus had that Library. Or Raimund went straight at the books when he visited Adriana. Like for me, this lemon matter, especially in relationships, was resolved when I read Shakespeare. Lol. Perhaps it was 'Love's labour's lost' that made me laugh at myself, and only wished I had read Shakespeare earlier. Those who want to experience perfect love must seek knowledge, for there in, lies the power of 'God'. ok lemon and oranges are found in different settings ie;work,relationships and homes. Those found in homes are not our choice.We learn how to live with them. The ones found in workplaces are temporary, we learn how to accomodate without letting them influence our performance. Now the ones we fall in love with or choose as friends are our own choice. We learn to how to deal with them. To become a well rounded person,one has to learn how to live with,accomodate and deal with both lemons and oranges. Fact is,we cannot run away from them because they form part and parcel of the society. I agree  A person isn't just how he/she looks, but is also the ideas and relations associated with him. Bodies change, ideas, relations also change, it all depends on how you think. this can also change along the way, true? Like I have changed at least thrice before making this post. Like i have changed innumerable times before i posted this post. I will re-read the bible once again. I know it will make sense this time. Jesus was a wise Man. You look yet you do not see; you listen yet you do not hear; you read yet you do not understand Thank you for the torch
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel, did God know that Cain was about to commit a murder? Is it a trick question? I have pre-prepared some responses just in case. Quote:If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin (transgression of the law, of which one is don't kill) lieth at the door. Are you getting at why the question was then asked where is Abel? i do not know the truth but i intend to find out, Who is asking? God? Cain? Why is God asking? is God lost? what has he done to get lost? What did God do? who is Abel? is he God's son??
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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jokes wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel, did God know that Cain was about to commit a murder? Is it a trick question? I have pre-prepared some responses just in case. Quote:If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin (transgression of the law, of which one is don't kill) lieth at the door. Are you getting at why the question was then asked where is Abel? i do not know the truth but i intend to find out, Who is asking? God? Cain? Why is God asking? is God lost? what has he done to get lost? What did God do? who is Abel? is he God's son?? Yes. Sorry for the delay, I had gone for the day. Yes God asked Cain where Abel was. The question was for the benefit: a) of observers to, again, see the course of a human who has done sin. b) of the culprit as the questions were designed to induce reflection on the culprit. c) of observers to illustrate the forbearance of the 'questioner' how patient he is with the 'questionees' and their expected denials. The eaters were also asked and they tried to evade as did Cain. They, the eaters and Cain, could have come out clean before being asked, or at least at the first instance after being pursued pushed to account after being caught with hands still in the cookie jar - but they did not. Instead of showing penitence for their actions human beings deny, deny, deny, deny and deny some more. Then still deny a little more. This record answers some no-longer-necessary questions in that it shows the resultant 'denial-some' nature of human beings to start with the first human beings, through history - in an unbroken chain - till today.
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