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Boniface Mwangi Retires!!!
Impunity
#21 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 10:56:13 AM
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InnovateGuy wrote:


Lastly, I'm reminded of Mark 6: 4 "A prophet is honored everywhere except in his own hometown.



A prophet never gives up!
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B.Timer
#22 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 11:00:08 AM
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For me, it is a sad day that an activist has been subdued into submission.

Not too helpful in as far our democratic credentials are concerned.

Renkown leaders around the world started off as activists.

Martin Luther was an activist.
Nelson Mandela started off as an activist.
How about Jomo Kenyatta before he was arrested.






Dunia ni msongamano..
Impunity
#23 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 11:05:08 AM
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B.Timer wrote:
For me, it is a sad day that an activist has been subdued into submission.

Not too helpful in as far our democratic credentials are concerned.

Renkown leaders around the world started off as activists.

Martin Luther was an activist.
Nelson Mandela started off as an activist.
How about Jomo Kenyatta before he was arrested.



Huyu alikuwa anachuna chai na kahawa kule Roiro!

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#24 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 11:07:13 AM
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Buster wrote:
Saw him in 'The Trend' on Friday. He was wondering why Kenyans like being abused by the state. I wonder if som



They will make noise in the comfort of their offices, their cars, their matatus, their bedrooms, their facebook pages, but do nothing about it. When someone comes out to mobilize them to action, they'll say he has been paid and give all manner of excuses not to participate in street demos. When you decide it's time to quit activism and take care of your own matters because nobody cares about the country, you're called a coward by people who would never demonstrate in their lives! In the words of another wazuan "you're damned if you do and damned when you don't do. Damn!"
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kyt
#25 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 12:29:16 PM
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sad sad sad day for kenya
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accelriskconsult
#26 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 12:36:29 PM
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B.Timer wrote:
For me, it is a sad day that an activist has been subdued into submission.

Not too helpful in as far our democratic credentials are concerned.

Renkown leaders around the world started off as activists.

Martin Luther was an activist.
Nelson Mandela started off as an activist.
How about Jomo Kenyatta before he was arrested.









And Jesus Christ was also an activist
Impunity
#27 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 12:39:22 PM
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kyt wrote:
sad sad sad day for kenya


Explain why its a bad day for Kenya!
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#28 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 12:44:18 PM
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mukiha wrote:
I guess the guy has finally realised that "Activism" hardly ever solves any problem.

You solve problems by doing something tangible; not by shouting yourself hoarse for the media cameras!

Activists just tell us what the problems are (as if we didn't know already!) but never do anything to help solve them.

So, you run the streets saying that our money is being eaten, do you really think the "eaters" will stop eating?

Instead, you should collect evidence that Mrs XYZ ate, give it to the DPP and if the DPP doesn't act, hurl him to court for collaborating with the "eaters"!


Well, not really. With the right motivation, organization and numbers, activism tactics such as boycotts and civil disobedience can actually get the government to pay attention and act on the issues at hand. But as @innovateGuy has pointed out, and I agree, the average Kenyan is far too timid to stand up for his rights.
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tycho
#29 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 1:27:22 PM
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Mwangi has every right to choose what pleases him. These reactions of it either being a sad day, or that Mwangi is a coward, are just the perfect example that we are a lost people, and all this talk is a 'babel'. Why? How can a responsible citizen expect to be always represented by someone else? Now we expect Mwangi to 'keep the government on it's toes' for us! We expect Mwangi to be the 'Messiah' and hate him if he chooses to drop out of the 'race'. To be like 'Che'.

This means we are the 'living dead' who need to wait for a 'Messiah'. To wake them to life.

Poor souls. Who is Martin Luther? Who is Jesus?

Where is Jesus? Where is Luther? Or Ghadaffi?

You can only live for your self, but do you even know yourself? Knowing your self is what seperates you from a quail. It is the 'power of God' that rules over the Universe. And how can such knowledge be acquired vicariously?

Why is corruption strangling us? Why are we not 'eating'? Why do we want to blame devolution woes on the governors? The answer is because you don't know your self. That's why, you have no vision. You don't know what to do with your infrastructure, your constitution, your institutions. And all you can do is blame, blame, blame.

And look up on the sky and wait for the Messiah to come on Airforce one.



2012
#30 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 2:23:44 PM
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B.Timer wrote:
For me, it is a sad day that an activist has been subdued into submission.

Not too helpful in as far our democratic credentials are concerned.

Renkown leaders around the world started off as activists.

Martin Luther was an activist.
Nelson Mandela started off as an activist.
How about Jomo Kenyatta before he was arrested.




The sad thing and the problem in Kenya cannot be solved through street activism.
We are past that. We're not fighting a repressive regime like the ones Martin Luther, Raila, Mandela etc fought. Our fight is with ourselves and poor values. I would understand if people especially the poor are fighting for equality but that's not the case.
We democratically voted in the current constitution and leaders, what laws do we now want changed? Will replacing individuals with other similar individuals change things? I doubt.
We need to learn to lobby.

BBI will solve it
:)
butterflyke
#31 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 2:24:18 PM
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tycho wrote:
Mwangi has every right to choose what pleases him. These reactions of it either being a sad day, or that Mwangi is a coward, are just the perfect example that we are a lost people, and all this talk is a 'babel'. Why? How can a responsible citizen expect to be always represented by someone else? Now we expect Mwangi to 'keep the government on it's toes' for us! We expect Mwangi to be the 'Messiah' and hate him if he chooses to drop out of the 'race'. To be like 'Che'.

This means we are the 'living dead' who need to wait for a 'Messiah'. To wake them to life.

Poor souls. Who is Martin Luther? Who is Jesus?

Where is Jesus? Where is Luther? Or Ghadaffi?

You can only live for your self, but do you even know yourself? Knowing your self is what seperates you from a quail. It is the 'power of God' that rules over the Universe. And how can such knowledge be acquired vicariously?

Why is corruption strangling us? Why are we not 'eating'? Why do we want to blame devolution woes on the governors? The answer is because you don't know your self. That's why, you have no vision. You don't know what to do with your infrastructure, your constitution, your institutions. And all you can do is blame, blame, blame.

And look up on the sky and wait for the Messiah to come on Airforce one.





smile
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. - Muhammad Ali🐝
alma
#32 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 2:38:47 PM
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butterflyke wrote:
tycho wrote:
Mwangi has every right to choose what pleases him. These reactions of it either being a sad day, or that Mwangi is a coward, are just the perfect example that we are a lost people, and all this talk is a 'babel'. Why? How can a responsible citizen expect to be always represented by someone else? Now we expect Mwangi to 'keep the government on it's toes' for us! We expect Mwangi to be the 'Messiah' and hate him if he chooses to drop out of the 'race'. To be like 'Che'.

This means we are the 'living dead' who need to wait for a 'Messiah'. To wake them to life.

Poor souls. Who is Martin Luther? Who is Jesus?

Where is Jesus? Where is Luther? Or Ghadaffi?

You can only live for your self, but do you even know yourself? Knowing your self is what seperates you from a quail. It is the 'power of God' that rules over the Universe. And how can such knowledge be acquired vicariously?

Why is corruption strangling us? Why are we not 'eating'? Why do we want to blame devolution woes on the governors? The answer is because you don't know your self. That's why, you have no vision. You don't know what to do with your infrastructure, your constitution, your institutions. And all you can do is blame, blame, blame.

And look up on the sky and wait for the Messiah to come on Airforce one.





smile


Applause Applause

The messiah said last year, not yesterday, that he'd hold one more. When he said it, we said that he was just lying. Or maybe just like other messiahs, we never heard.

Super Tycho!Applause Applause
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B.Timer
#33 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 2:44:45 PM
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2012 wrote:
B.Timer wrote:
For me, it is a sad day that an activist has been subdued into submission.

Not too helpful in as far our democratic credentials are concerned.

Renkown leaders around the world started off as activists.

Martin Luther was an activist.
Nelson Mandela started off as an activist.
How about Jomo Kenyatta before he was arrested.




The sad thing and the problem in Kenya cannot be solved through street activism.
We are past that. We're not fighting a repressive regime like the ones Martin Luther, Raila, Mandela etc fought. Our fight is with ourselves and poor values. I would understand if people especially the poor are fighting for equality but that's not the case.
We democratically voted in the current constitution and leaders, what laws do we now want changed? Will replacing individuals with other similar individuals change things? I doubt.
We need to learn to lobby.


One may, or may not like his tactics.

But that's not the point.

The main concern is, why frighten him!




Dunia ni msongamano..
FRM2011
#34 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 2:47:09 PM
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I wish our jubilant friends can learn to listen to the other side of the story.The militancy with which you are defending your beloved govt is getting a tad worrying.

Now let me tell you something about Boniface Mwangi. He was a young man going about his job as a photo-journalist during the PEV. 90% of the photos he took were too gross to be published by his editors.

These images have been tormenting the young man. He has sat and listened to jubilee supporters, even educated ones, questioning the authenticity of the PEV narrative. Some believe the gory stories were made up by USAID.

The 1st witness in the ruto-sang case who narrated how her child was thrown back to a burning church did not get any sympathy. She was condemned overwhelmingly by the jubilants. Some tried to expose her identity.

Poor Boniface must have been wondering whether its him or the country that's gone nuts. Am hoping he read Francis Imbuga's powerful line from betrayal in the city.
"When the insanity of an entire nation disturbs a solitary mind, it is not in order to say that a man is mad"
washiku
#35 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 2:58:53 PM
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BM had said kitambo that he will do one more. He could have been funded yes, but were the issues he was raising relevant? Do they affect us? At least he did something. He did what he thought would work. But it did not work. He tried. Have we done anything ourselves? He realized his wife and children were always scared whether he will get back home, and thus he decided to quit. That is ok, many of us would do the same for our families. Wont we? I don't agree with him in all accounts, I don't like his abusive language that even gets personal many times, but I would love to see a democratic society that gives him his space to chose what he likes and what he doesn't unless it doesn't break other people's right. During the last protest, many people here said he should stop disrupting other people's business by stopping the protests. He has now decided to stop. Good. I thought we should now be happy. He now says that he will try to mobilize people through the vote. Let him try it. That is fine. At least he is trying something. If only we all did something about bad leadership.

But we are generally hypocritical. We complain when others win tenders, but a few posts later we brag "we are better beneficiaries of this govt than others coz at least we got a tender". We shout how bad out governors are bad they are just eating, but we later on come and brag the way we bribed our out of a situation. Let those who are ready to shout themselves that there is corruption shout, at least we shall have a topic to discuss in Wazua. Its democracy. He is not a hero. Neither is he a coward. He is just enjoying fruits of democracy but airing his voice out and stopping when he wants. Just like we are enjoying ours by typing our hapiness, frustrations, imaginations, dreams. jokes, ideas etc well, until @Admin stops itsmile
washiku
#36 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 3:06:17 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
I wish our jubilant friends can learn to listen to the other side of the story.The militancy with which you are defending your beloved govt is getting a tad worrying.

Now let me tell you something about Boniface Mwangi. He was a young man going about his job as a photo-journalist during the PEV. 90% of the photos he took were too gross to be published by his editors.

These images have been tormenting the young man. He has sat and listened to jubilee supporters, even educated ones, questioning the authenticity of the PEV narrative. Some believe the gory stories were made up by USAID.

The 1st witness in the ruto-sang case who narrated how her child was thrown back to a burning church did not get any sympathy. She was condemned overwhelmingly by the jubilants. Some tried to expose her identity.

Poor Boniface must have been wondering whether its him or the country that's gone nuts. Am hoping he read Francis Imbuga's powerful line from betrayal in the city.
"When the insanity of an entire nation disturbs a solitary mind, it is not in order to say that a man is mad"


You dont always have to look at things from Jubilee/CORD perspective. The issues BM was raising were affecting all of us, CORDED or Jubilated or Tunawesmake or Didaed smile
InnovateGuy
#37 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 3:20:42 PM
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washiku wrote:
BM had said kitambo that he will do one more. He could have been funded yes, but were the issues he was raising relevant? Do they affect us? At least he did something. He did what he thought would work. But it did not work. He tried. Have we done anything ourselves? He realized his wife and children were always scared whether he will get back home, and thus he decided to quit. That is ok, many of us would do the same for our families. Wont we? I don't agree with him in all accounts, I don't like his abusive language that even gets personal many times, but I would love to see a democratic society that gives him his space to chose what he likes and what he doesn't unless it doesn't break other people's right. During the last protest, many people here said he should stop disrupting other people's business by stopping the protests. He has now decided to stop. Good. I thought we should now be happy. He now says that he will try to mobilize people through the vote. Let him try it. That is fine. At least he is trying something. If only we all did something about bad leadership.

But we are generally hypocritical. We complain when others win tenders, but a few posts later we brag "we are better beneficiaries of this govt than others coz at least we got a tender". We shout how bad out governors are bad they are just eating, but we later on come and brag the way we bribed our out of a situation. Let those who are ready to shout themselves that there is corruption shout, at least we shall have a topic to discuss in Wazua. Its democracy. He is not a hero. Neither is he a coward. He is just enjoying fruits of democracy but airing his voice out and stopping when he wants. Just like we are enjoying ours by typing our hapiness, frustrations, imaginations, dreams. jokes, ideas etc well, until @Admin stops itsmile


A Nation of hypocrites.

Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
Ole Lenku
#38 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 3:23:35 PM
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2012 wrote:
B.Timer wrote:
For me, it is a sad day that an activist has been subdued into submission.

Not too helpful in as far our democratic credentials are concerned.

Renkown leaders around the world started off as activists.

Martin Luther was an activist.
Nelson Mandela started off as an activist.
How about Jomo Kenyatta before he was arrested.




The sad thing and the problem in Kenya cannot be solved through street activism.
We are past that. We're not fighting a repressive regime like the ones Martin Luther, Raila, Mandela etc fought. Our fight is with ourselves and poor values. I would understand if people especially the poor are fighting for equality but that's not the case.
We democratically voted in the current constitution and leaders, what laws do we now want changed? Will replacing individuals with other similar individuals change things? I doubt.
We need to learn to lobby.

The most developed countries in the world have very strong activists. It helps keep the people in power in check. The only countries where activism is prohibited are dictatorships. This regime is fighting civil society and Uhuru keeps confirming the accusations that he has strong man tendencies.
poundfoolish
#39 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 3:25:18 PM
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Mwangi will be vindicated when it all blows up again in the Rift... and this time round it wont be 'Kenya is burning'... It will just be the Rift... nothing but the Rift, two distinct and clear boundaries.
There shall be no railways being uprooted, no WaBara being evicted, no Kenyans running to Uganda.

It will just be at the Rift. just the Rift!!!!

I pray it never happens. But I am not stupid. We are not helping much to solve the problem. We are burying the problem, hoping to do more patch work 'if' it ever reoccurs again.

Sad but true...
simonkabz
#40 Posted : Monday, February 17, 2014 3:31:18 PM
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Real activists, like Omtata, fight for real issues. Bonny n his fellow Evil Society members are paid to FIGHT INDIVIDUALS. No cause whatsoever. May they choke on a pine tree!
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