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Muriel
#241 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 3:14:28 PM
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tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
jokes wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Cain: The issue was not what he wondered or thought but what he did.
Cain: He made an attempt to obey. He brought something. He did something. He could have refused flatly and instead went to the shamba as usual as Abel did his 'weird' stuff.

"In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

The eaters ate but did not die on that day. Instead something else did. A temporary symbol of a certain permanent surety. A prefiguration. Hence the promise of a certain 'seed'. Thereafter "unto adam and his wife did the lord God make coats of skins and clothed them". All that the eaters and Cain and Abel had now to do was to recognise that promised permanent surety (the anti-type) in its current (to them) and temporary symbol (the type).

Cain: Had only to see the anti-type in the type, to see the typology, to see the symbology.

The surety and its symbol died, not just die but had its blood spilt.

In all this, the slain symbology, typology, prefiguration, the anti-type and type, Abel observed the fulfillment of the warning 'ye shall surely die' and believed the 'warner', the speaker. Abel did not do much. Cain did not have to do much. The eaters did not do much.

Cain: The matter at hand was not so much to do with God as it had to do with Cain and what he did - and Abel and what he did.

So back to Cain. Shida yake ili kuwa wapi, honestly? Jameni.

Cain: Could he have recognised anti-type in the type and still wonder nevertheless about the problem? I posit not. It is because he did not recognise the anti-type in the type that he wondered his wonderings.



Ps. i just love you guys, Symbols and Tycho, how you came to choose your usernames tells me there is no coincidence.



Quite Good. I can see some clever word play, the EATERS AND TYPE AND SYMBOLS Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly , nice but you need to make it a bit simpler or you loose your audience



lol.

Will try though my dance partner knows my moves. They are familiar to him and am not trying to 'out dance' him.


@jokes, reading Muriel's post was 'difficult' at first. It's a hint that perhaps tycho is Muriel, or the other way round.

A way of 'us' being equal to 'I'.



Ah. Brother.
tycho
#242 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 3:46:21 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Did it? You have made me to study hard my statements. lol.

But I don't see where. It, indeed, is about thought. Thoughts and actions are inseperable. Thoughts precede actions. Si hapa we are working backward from the actions to see the most logical and probable thoughts?

Would it make a difference if I added the highlighted parts ,,,,,,,,,

Quote:
Cain: Could he have recognised the anti-type in the type and still wonder nevertheless about the problem? I posit not. It is because he did not think much of the anti-type in the type that he wondered his wonderings and so brought fruits.


How do you see it? He must have known about the anti-type because:
1) the eaters must have talked to both of them about it because:
1') Abel indicated he had grasped it and because
1'') Cain carried it out partially

Of course I am just speculating.

You have given me a huge responsibility of proving guilt. Its too big for me, I can't do it.

BTW, ile maneno yetu ingine ya the eaters being students ilienda wapi? Tulifika wapi?


@Muriel, we need to establish what 'thinking much of something' entails. In my opinion, it is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Such that, all 'much thought' is ultimately 'self reflection'. See? Self reflection is study. Student.

The altar is not for the thoughtless, for therein lies ultimate knowledge and power. Conversing with 'God' entails 'much thought'.

And this not only means knowledge and full awareness of identity but also deliberate action.



Okay, 'thinking much of something' is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Or merely relating to the object of thought. How you relate to the object of thought. Is it higher or lower as you observe from your point of view?

He did not think much of = he thought low of = it was not a priority. List. Relation. Placement.

From there I get a whiff of a 'sneaky redirect'.

It has become 'much thought'?

It is 'thinking much of something'. Relating. Placement.


Then what was Cain's prime concern if 'God' was of lower priority?
Muriel
#243 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 4:33:55 PM
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Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Did it? You have made me to study hard my statements. lol.

But I don't see where. It, indeed, is about thought. Thoughts and actions are inseperable. Thoughts precede actions. Si hapa we are working backward from the actions to see the most logical and probable thoughts?

Would it make a difference if I added the highlighted parts ,,,,,,,,,

Quote:
Cain: Could he have recognised the anti-type in the type and still wonder nevertheless about the problem? I posit not. It is because he did not think much of the anti-type in the type that he wondered his wonderings and so brought fruits.


How do you see it? He must have known about the anti-type because:
1) the eaters must have talked to both of them about it because:
1') Abel indicated he had grasped it and because
1'') Cain carried it out partially

Of course I am just speculating.

You have given me a huge responsibility of proving guilt. Its too big for me, I can't do it.

BTW, ile maneno yetu ingine ya the eaters being students ilienda wapi? Tulifika wapi?


@Muriel, we need to establish what 'thinking much of something' entails. In my opinion, it is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Such that, all 'much thought' is ultimately 'self reflection'. See? Self reflection is study. Student.

The altar is not for the thoughtless, for therein lies ultimate knowledge and power. Conversing with 'God' entails 'much thought'.

And this not only means knowledge and full awareness of identity but also deliberate action.



Okay, 'thinking much of something' is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Or merely relating to the object of thought. How you relate to the object of thought. Is it higher or lower as you observe from your point of view?

He did not think much of = he thought low of = it was not a priority. List. Relation. Placement.

From there I get a whiff of a 'sneaky redirect'.

It has become 'much thought'?

It is 'thinking much of something'. Relating. Placement.


Then what was Cain's prime concern if 'God' was of lower priority?


Whatever the prime concern (thought) was, the result (actions) was not good.
tycho
#244 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 5:29:27 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Did it? You have made me to study hard my statements. lol.

But I don't see where. It, indeed, is about thought. Thoughts and actions are inseperable. Thoughts precede actions. Si hapa we are working backward from the actions to see the most logical and probable thoughts?

Would it make a difference if I added the highlighted parts ,,,,,,,,,

Quote:
Cain: Could he have recognised the anti-type in the type and still wonder nevertheless about the problem? I posit not. It is because he did not think much of the anti-type in the type that he wondered his wonderings and so brought fruits.


How do you see it? He must have known about the anti-type because:
1) the eaters must have talked to both of them about it because:
1') Abel indicated he had grasped it and because
1'') Cain carried it out partially

Of course I am just speculating.

You have given me a huge responsibility of proving guilt. Its too big for me, I can't do it.

BTW, ile maneno yetu ingine ya the eaters being students ilienda wapi? Tulifika wapi?


@Muriel, we need to establish what 'thinking much of something' entails. In my opinion, it is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Such that, all 'much thought' is ultimately 'self reflection'. See? Self reflection is study. Student.

The altar is not for the thoughtless, for therein lies ultimate knowledge and power. Conversing with 'God' entails 'much thought'.

And this not only means knowledge and full awareness of identity but also deliberate action.



Okay, 'thinking much of something' is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Or merely relating to the object of thought. How you relate to the object of thought. Is it higher or lower as you observe from your point of view?

He did not think much of = he thought low of = it was not a priority. List. Relation. Placement.

From there I get a whiff of a 'sneaky redirect'.

It has become 'much thought'?

It is 'thinking much of something'. Relating. Placement.


Then what was Cain's prime concern if 'God' was of lower priority?


Whatever the prime concern (thought) was, the result (actions) was not good.


And I say, there can be no higher thought than 'God'. Good and evil. Knowledge. Assuming that Cain didn't know, and that this whole matter was of mistaken identity is to absolve Cain.

'Am I my brother's keeper?'
jokes
#245 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 6:45:01 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 7/1/2008
Posts: 323
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Did it? You have made me to study hard my statements. lol.

But I don't see where. It, indeed, is about thought. Thoughts and actions are inseperable. Thoughts precede actions. Si hapa we are working backward from the actions to see the most logical and probable thoughts?

Would it make a difference if I added the highlighted parts ,,,,,,,,,

Quote:
Cain: Could he have recognised the anti-type in the type and still wonder nevertheless about the problem? I posit not. It is because he did not think much of the anti-type in the type that he wondered his wonderings and so brought fruits.


How do you see it? He must have known about the anti-type because:
1) the eaters must have talked to both of them about it because:
1') Abel indicated he had grasped it and because
1'') Cain carried it out partially

Of course I am just speculating.

You have given me a huge responsibility of proving guilt. Its too big for me, I can't do it.

BTW, ile maneno yetu ingine ya the eaters being students ilienda wapi? Tulifika wapi?


@Muriel, we need to establish what 'thinking much of something' entails. In my opinion, it is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Such that, all 'much thought' is ultimately 'self reflection'. See? Self reflection is study. Student.

The altar is not for the thoughtless, for therein lies ultimate knowledge and power. Conversing with 'God' entails 'much thought'.

And this not only means knowledge and full awareness of identity but also deliberate action.



Okay, 'thinking much of something' is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Or merely relating to the object of thought. How you relate to the object of thought. Is it higher or lower as you observe from your point of view?

He did not think much of = he thought low of = it was not a priority. List. Relation. Placement.

From there I get a whiff of a 'sneaky redirect'.

It has become 'much thought'?

It is 'thinking much of something'. Relating. Placement.


Then what was Cain's prime concern if 'God' was of lower priority?


Whatever the prime concern (thought) was, the result (actions) was not good.


And I say, there can be no higher thought than 'God'. Good and evil. Knowledge. Assuming that Cain didn't know, and that this whole matter was of mistaken identity is to absolve Cain.

'Am I my brother's keeper?'


I know i will rub some people the wrong way but here goes. these are the scenarios:
The cause was God. Gods love for Abel caused Cains reactions. He thought of the problem and the problem was God. His favour of Abel over him. He could not solve the problem and opted to remove the object of Gods love.
Another scenario is due to a fault in his psyche he was unable to solve the conflict he encountered and resolved mistakenly to eliminate the symptom instead of confronting the solution and asking WHY?
jokes
#246 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 6:46:34 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 7/1/2008
Posts: 323
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
jokes wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Cain: The issue was not what he wondered or thought but what he did.
Cain: He made an attempt to obey. He brought something. He did something. He could have refused flatly and instead went to the shamba as usual as Abel did his 'weird' stuff.

"In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

The eaters ate but did not die on that day. Instead something else did. A temporary symbol of a certain permanent surety. A prefiguration. Hence the promise of a certain 'seed'. Thereafter "unto adam and his wife did the lord God make coats of skins and clothed them". All that the eaters and Cain and Abel had now to do was to recognise that promised permanent surety (the anti-type) in its current (to them) and temporary symbol (the type).

Cain: Had only to see the anti-type in the type, to see the typology, to see the symbology.

The surety and its symbol died, not just die but had its blood spilt.

In all this, the slain symbology, typology, prefiguration, the anti-type and type, Abel observed the fulfillment of the warning 'ye shall surely die' and believed the 'warner', the speaker. Abel did not do much. Cain did not have to do much. The eaters did not do much.

Cain: The matter at hand was not so much to do with God as it had to do with Cain and what he did - and Abel and what he did.

So back to Cain. Shida yake ili kuwa wapi, honestly? Jameni.

Cain: Could he have recognised anti-type in the type and still wonder nevertheless about the problem? I posit not. It is because he did not recognise the anti-type in the type that he wondered his wonderings.



Ps. i just love you guys, Symbols and Tycho, how you came to choose your usernames tells me there is no coincidence.



Quite Good. I can see some clever word play, the EATERS AND TYPE AND SYMBOLS Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly , nice but you need to make it a bit simpler or you loose your audience



lol.

Will try though my dance partner knows my moves. They are familiar to him and am not trying to 'out dance' him.


@jokes, reading Muriel's post was 'difficult' at first. It's a hint that perhaps tycho is Muriel, or the other way round.

A way of 'us' being equal to 'I'.


How now?
tycho
#247 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 7:05:07 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
jokes wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Did it? You have made me to study hard my statements. lol.

But I don't see where. It, indeed, is about thought. Thoughts and actions are inseperable. Thoughts precede actions. Si hapa we are working backward from the actions to see the most logical and probable thoughts?

Would it make a difference if I added the highlighted parts ,,,,,,,,,

Quote:
Cain: Could he have recognised the anti-type in the type and still wonder nevertheless about the problem? I posit not. It is because he did not think much of the anti-type in the type that he wondered his wonderings and so brought fruits.


How do you see it? He must have known about the anti-type because:
1) the eaters must have talked to both of them about it because:
1') Abel indicated he had grasped it and because
1'') Cain carried it out partially

Of course I am just speculating.

You have given me a huge responsibility of proving guilt. Its too big for me, I can't do it.

BTW, ile maneno yetu ingine ya the eaters being students ilienda wapi? Tulifika wapi?


@Muriel, we need to establish what 'thinking much of something' entails. In my opinion, it is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Such that, all 'much thought' is ultimately 'self reflection'. See? Self reflection is study. Student.

The altar is not for the thoughtless, for therein lies ultimate knowledge and power. Conversing with 'God' entails 'much thought'.

And this not only means knowledge and full awareness of identity but also deliberate action.



Okay, 'thinking much of something' is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Or merely relating to the object of thought. How you relate to the object of thought. Is it higher or lower as you observe from your point of view?

He did not think much of = he thought low of = it was not a priority. List. Relation. Placement.

From there I get a whiff of a 'sneaky redirect'.

It has become 'much thought'?

It is 'thinking much of something'. Relating. Placement.


Then what was Cain's prime concern if 'God' was of lower priority?


Whatever the prime concern (thought) was, the result (actions) was not good.


And I say, there can be no higher thought than 'God'. Good and evil. Knowledge. Assuming that Cain didn't know, and that this whole matter was of mistaken identity is to absolve Cain.

'Am I my brother's keeper?'


I know i will rub some people the wrong way but here goes. these are the scenarios:
The cause was God. Gods love for Abel caused Cains reactions. He thought of the problem and the problem was God. His favour of Abel over him. He could not solve the problem and opted to remove the object of Gods love.
Another scenario is due to a fault in his psyche he was unable to solve the conflict he encountered and resolved mistakenly to eliminate the symptom instead of confronting the solution and asking WHY?


Cain made no mistake. He struck at the heart of the matter. God has internal conflict just like Man.
tycho
#248 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 7:10:19 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
jokes wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
jokes wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Cain: The issue was not what he wondered or thought but what he did.
Cain: He made an attempt to obey. He brought something. He did something. He could have refused flatly and instead went to the shamba as usual as Abel did his 'weird' stuff.

"In the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."

The eaters ate but did not die on that day. Instead something else did. A temporary symbol of a certain permanent surety. A prefiguration. Hence the promise of a certain 'seed'. Thereafter "unto adam and his wife did the lord God make coats of skins and clothed them". All that the eaters and Cain and Abel had now to do was to recognise that promised permanent surety (the anti-type) in its current (to them) and temporary symbol (the type).

Cain: Had only to see the anti-type in the type, to see the typology, to see the symbology.

The surety and its symbol died, not just die but had its blood spilt.

In all this, the slain symbology, typology, prefiguration, the anti-type and type, Abel observed the fulfillment of the warning 'ye shall surely die' and believed the 'warner', the speaker. Abel did not do much. Cain did not have to do much. The eaters did not do much.

Cain: The matter at hand was not so much to do with God as it had to do with Cain and what he did - and Abel and what he did.

So back to Cain. Shida yake ili kuwa wapi, honestly? Jameni.

Cain: Could he have recognised anti-type in the type and still wonder nevertheless about the problem? I posit not. It is because he did not recognise the anti-type in the type that he wondered his wonderings.



Ps. i just love you guys, Symbols and Tycho, how you came to choose your usernames tells me there is no coincidence.



Quite Good. I can see some clever word play, the EATERS AND TYPE AND SYMBOLS Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly , nice but you need to make it a bit simpler or you loose your audience



lol.

Will try though my dance partner knows my moves. They are familiar to him and am not trying to 'out dance' him.


@jokes, reading Muriel's post was 'difficult' at first. It's a hint that perhaps tycho is Muriel, or the other way round.

A way of 'us' being equal to 'I'.


How now?


Deep 'down' the mind is one. The rest are reflections.
symbols
#249 Posted : Friday, February 14, 2014 10:05:51 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/19/2013
Posts: 2,552
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:
Did it? You have made me to study hard my statements. lol.

But I don't see where. It, indeed, is about thought. Thoughts and actions are inseperable. Thoughts precede actions. Si hapa we are working backward from the actions to see the most logical and probable thoughts?

Would it make a difference if I added the highlighted parts ,,,,,,,,,

Quote:
Cain: Could he have recognised the anti-type in the type and still wonder nevertheless about the problem? I posit not. It is because he did not think much of the anti-type in the type that he wondered his wonderings and so brought fruits.


How do you see it? He must have known about the anti-type because:
1) the eaters must have talked to both of them about it because:
1') Abel indicated he had grasped it and because
1'') Cain carried it out partially

Of course I am just speculating.

You have given me a huge responsibility of proving guilt. Its too big for me, I can't do it.

BTW, ile maneno yetu ingine ya the eaters being students ilienda wapi? Tulifika wapi?


@Muriel, we need to establish what 'thinking much of something' entails. In my opinion, it is relating the object of thought to your 'self'. Such that, all 'much thought' is ultimately 'self reflection'. See? Self reflection is study. Student.

The altar is not for the thoughtless, for therein lies ultimate knowledge and power. Conversing with 'God' entails 'much thought'.

And this not only means knowledge and full awareness of identity but also deliberate action.


It is also a battle against 'self deception' and 'self projection'.
Muriel
#250 Posted : Sunday, February 16, 2014 11:03:31 AM
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Joined: 11/19/2009
Posts: 3,142
My response to God's love for Abel caused Cain's reaction:

the sequence of events is as follows;

Cain & Abel born »» Cain & Abel brought the things »» THEN The Lord had respect to Abel but not Cain.

Would it have made a difference if the sequence was instead as follows;

Cain & Abel born »» The Lord had respect to Abel but not Cain »» THEN Cain & Abel brought their things.

See the difference? At the time of bringing the things both were on equal footing. I had earlier mentioned that both had the same opportunities, privileges, chances, upbringing. Either could have copied the other THEN The Lord could have had respect for both or for none.

I agree that Cain made no mistake. Mistake implies unawareness. The sequence of his thoughts and the resultant actions could not have been otherwise. Once he got one foot on that path there was no turning back. He had made careful consideration. Not mistake.
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