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Pastor achimba chaba la wenyewe Karatina
Much Know
#91 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 1:34:35 PM
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kysse wrote:

This is so wrong.
The 'pastor' has succeeded in breaking apart a another man's home.

Are you sure he was not the victim?
Ras Kienyeji Man
Muriel
#92 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 1:41:44 PM
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Alright!

When you see someone messing around with what you hold dear bringing it to disrepute and then when Hamburglar cites his example or Alphdoti presents an alternative the culprit is conveniently nowhere to do the least he can do - set the record straight.

Will you help stem the tide of declension or will you close ranks to palliate it?
jaggernaut
#93 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 1:45:37 PM
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jguru wrote:
kysse wrote:
That's why fellows like swenani can never dream of becoming pastors cz they will eat at the altar.

Now Which man will allow that Pastor to conduct prayers in his house or counsel his wife?

How will such a pastor even conduct a wedding ceremony.. 'Till death do us part? Really? the shame?


I'd rather a pastor who eats grown up mature women that a priest who molests small boys.

Anyway, Jesus said that we should forgive 70 times 7 times.

This isn't an issue as to who has committed a 'better' or 'worse' crime. A crime is a crime and all criminals should be reprimanded and made to pay for their deeds.
Much Know
#94 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 1:52:30 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
jguru wrote:
kysse wrote:
That's why fellows like swenani can never dream of becoming pastors cz they will eat at the altar.

Now Which man will allow that Pastor to conduct prayers in his house or counsel his wife?

How will such a pastor even conduct a wedding ceremony.. 'Till death do us part? Really? the shame?


I'd rather a pastor who eats grown up mature women that a priest who molests small boys.

Anyway, Jesus said that we should forgive 70 times 7 times.

This isn't an issue as to who has committed a 'better' or 'worse' crime. A crime is a crime and all criminals should be reprimanded and made to pay for their crimes.

This is a personal values/moral issue, the individuals have the freedom to resolve it through their respective VALUES system, the courts can only "break apart" a family in such a case through granting divorce, what's the point of trying so hard to break a family where forgiveness has been exercised?..one has to choose their wife carefully...that's all, we should not ALL run to court when she is landed on, the choosing is yours alone and choices have consequences....society should not be kept to busy managing peoples wives.
Ras Kienyeji Man
Swenani
#95 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 1:57:06 PM
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kysse wrote:
Much Know wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
jguru wrote:
Has the mechanic forgiven his wife?

smile

No.

It is very difficult for him, his ego may have been smashed completely, He should gather courage and move on with life Sad


This is so wrong.
The 'pastor' has succeeded in breaking apart a another man's home.Actually,he's just set off a time bomb in his wife.Women don't let go of such behavior that easy unless they have a prob.
People commit suicide after being cheated on so that should tell you the kind of shame and hurt the wife must be going through esp from the community- eg hutoshelezi mzee? Sad how about the kids? woi. Nway.

The Bible is steadfast 'To whom much is given,much is required'As a Pastor you don't go sleeping around like every other man because we are all sinners. That's no excuse because such a Mantle comes with responsibilities.
That's why fellows like swenani can never dream of becoming pastors cz they will eat at the altar.

Now Which man will allow that Pastor to conduct prayers in his house or counsel his wife?

How will such a pastor even conduct a wedding ceremony.. 'Till death do us part? Really? the shame?

God is all forgiving,but the Consequences of our sins remain as a reminder.And that is what the pastor has brought upon himself.Shame.

Unless the mechanic and his wife reconcile,he has no say.
And like we all know, siku za mwizi ni 40, I hate to imagine,how many he's impregnated,allowed to abort,broken homes etc etc.









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Muriel
#96 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 1:59:55 PM
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Much Know wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
jguru wrote:
kysse wrote:
That's why fellows like swenani can never dream of becoming pastors cz they will eat at the altar.

Now Which man will allow that Pastor to conduct prayers in his house or counsel his wife?

How will such a pastor even conduct a wedding ceremony.. 'Till death do us part? Really? the shame?


I'd rather a pastor who eats grown up mature women that a priest who molests small boys.

Anyway, Jesus said that we should forgive 70 times 7 times.

This isn't an issue as to who has committed a 'better' or 'worse' crime. A crime is a crime and all criminals should be reprimanded and made to pay for their crimes.

This is a personal values/moral issue, the individuals have the freedom to resolve it through their respective VALUES system, the courts can only "break apart" a family in such a case through granting divorce, what's the point of trying so hard to break a family where forgiveness has been exercised?..one has to choose their wife carefully...that's all, we should not ALL run to court when she is landed on, the choosing is yours alone and choices have consequences....society should not be kept to busy managing peoples wives.


It crosses from being merely a personal issue when the corporate body shares to some extent the ripple effects. Particularly so when the corporate body has a mission to provide an alternative lifestyle.
jaggernaut
#97 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 2:03:54 PM
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Joined: 10/9/2008
Posts: 5,389
Much Know wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
Much Know wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
jguru wrote:
Has the mechanic forgiven his wife?

smile

No.

It is very difficult for him, his ego may have been smashed completely, He should gather courage and move on with life Sad


This cancer of 'forgiving and moving on' will kill Kenyans. When will people stand up for what is right and seek justice?

This is how a society that isn't terminally ill should handle this issue:

1. The pastor's wife should divorce him for adultery, not forgiving him.
2. The church congregation should have locked the pastor out since he has shown by deed that he is indeed a wolf in sheep clothing.
3. The church should have excommunicated the pastor for gross misconduct, and bringing the church into disrepute, not just suspending him like they have done.
4. The mechanic should divorce his wife for adultery (He seems to be the only sober Kenyan since he has separated from her).
5. All wazuans should be condemning the pastor and the fish for this act and seek justice for the pastor's wife, the mechanic and the KAG church.


For me forgiveness is the first step, it will save all those court processes, i know so many women who have forgiven their men and lived happily, running through courts, the church fighting him and so on is just too negative and time-wasting, after all true love is found at about 70years of age, so they are on their way there, i envy this pastors family. Secondly, you have seen the mechanic is a violent man! should the pastor also take him to court for assault? Does he have proof to take to court that that was his wife? Was the wife a victim of violence who sort solace in the only man she could confide in and things just got emotional?...forgiveness first...peace second...love follows.

Isn't this the kind of reasoning that has bred impunity in the country....from the bedrooms to the political front? Is it any surprise PEV perpetrators have been forgiven and any victims who dare speak out are rebuked by society? Wasn't Shebesh also under pressure to forgive, by the society and judiciary? A time will come when this impunity we are nursing will eat us alive.
InnovateGuy
#98 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 2:13:06 PM
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Joined: 11/15/2012
Posts: 1,110
jaggernaut wrote:
Much Know wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
jguru wrote:
Has the mechanic forgiven his wife?

smile

No.

It is very difficult for him, his ego may have been smashed completely, He should gather courage and move on with life Sad


This cancer of 'forgiving and moving on' will kill Kenyans. When will people stand up for what is right and seek justice?

This is how a society that isn't terminally ill should handle this issue:

1. The pastor's wife should divorce him for adultery, not forgiving him.
2. The church congregation should have locked the pastor out since he has shown by deed that he is indeed a wolf in sheep clothing.
3. The church should have excommunicated the pastor for gross misconduct, and bringing the church into disrepute, not just suspending him like they have done.
4. The mechanic should divorce his wife for adultery (He seems to be the only sober Kenyan since he has separated from her).
5. All wazuans should be condemning the pastor and the fish for this act and seek justice for the pastor's wife, the mechanic and the KAG church.




Interesting...especially coming from a man who has severally admitted to cheating on his wife.

Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
washiku
#99 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 2:18:14 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 5/9/2007
Posts: 13,095
jaggernaut wrote:
Much Know wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
jguru wrote:
Has the mechanic forgiven his wife?

smile

No.

It is very difficult for him, his ego may have been smashed completely, He should gather courage and move on with life Sad


This cancer of 'forgiving and moving on' will kill Kenyans. When will people stand up for what is right and seek justice?

This is how a society that isn't terminally ill should handle this issue:

1. The pastor's wife should divorce him for adultery, not forgiving him.
2. The church congregation should have locked the pastor out since he has shown by deed that he is indeed a wolf in sheep clothing.
3. The church should have excommunicated the pastor for gross misconduct, and bringing the church into disrepute, not just suspending him like they have done.
4. The mechanic should divorce his wife for adultery (He seems to be the only sober Kenyan since he has separated from her).
5. All wazuans should be condemning the pastor and the fish for this act and seek justice for the pastor's wife, the mechanic and the KAG church.



People(both men and women) are bound to go wrong. Forgiveness is thus an option. You see the way Eric Wainaina sorted his. If every unfaithfulness ended up in divorce, we could be having many in a day. All in all, I am a great believer in men n women working extremely hard to ensure they remain faithful to their partners. Personally, I better struggle so so much to avoid than to go explain myself to my wife and children. Not because I fear them, but because I respect them. I would hate to take them through a TV session of them pledging loyalty to their lose dad. But for those who fall in the sin, and their families agrees to forgive them, that is ok. Hoping the man will take the forgiveness seriously and change for the better.
Peppy
#100 Posted : Monday, February 10, 2014 2:26:48 PM
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My problem with the pastor is dragging his wife and kids into the saga, if he went all the way to embu to eat fish,and was caught red handed. why drag his wife and kids (young adult) into the picture. He would have just eaten the fish in Nyeri.
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