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Vallerrie wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Vallerrie wrote:*Rolls eyes* If this was a female Wazuan she'd be labelled all kinds of hoe. I didn't want to be the first to go on this one... But it seems no enough brave ones anymore, all gone for festive season. Ahem... It biols down to reputation, the status. The effects of promuiscuity for man and woman is not the same, both cannot do same thing and turn out the same. Remember your boots and how some people almost labelled you  First, understand that in the eyes of God, both men and women are equal. They are equal but not the same. Equity does not mean equality. Secondly, they both carry same responsibility as far as promiscuity is concerned. But back to human law and human treatment between men and women. They are not treated the same way when it comes to promiscuity. How many times do we hear of school girls inpregnated while in school? And are the men who made them pregnant? The teachers, the fellow male pupils? The parents in the case of incest etc? But let's face it, even if a woman who is a bitch, the female of kina @innovate says her crazy days are through, her reputation is ruined. Even if she is settling down, everyone will be seeing her as the "hoe". But today, if @innovateguy says I'm done, enough is enough, he picks up his character, gets himself a good job and behaves well, after a shortwhile he can marry the most beautiful, most behaved innocent girl in town. And even if the girl knows about his past habits, as long as @innovate changes, she will accept him and she will be his wife. Quote:Fornication (zina) and that which leads to fornication is completely unlawful and considered a major sin. The Quran and Sunnah are quite clear about this.
Allah Most High says:
Do not come (even) near to adultery, for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road to other evils.( Quran Surah al-Isra, verse 32)
Thus, fornication and whatever that leads to it, such as touching, kissing, embracing, informal interaction are all considered to be major sins, hence must be avoided at all times. Might be true, but I still think its unfair. And that Quran verse you quoted doesn't apply only to women, does it? @vallerie you're right the society approach is unfair. But if you look at the laws of the Quran it is fair, it applies to both men and women without favouring one over the other. There is another beauty about the Quranic approach; it prescibes prevention method i.e. killing the fire from far. It says do not go near sin, it says do not go near it. What it says about fornication:" And come not near to the unlawful sexual intercourse. Verily, it is a transgression of God's limits, and an evil way." (Quran sura Al-Israa chapter 17:32) What it says about chastity, the opposite of fornicaiton:" For men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in God's praise, for them has God prepared forgiveness and great reward." (Quran chapter 33:35) What punishament is prescribed?" The fornicatress and the fornicator – flog each of them with a hundred stripes; ...and let a group of believers witness their punishment." (Quran chapter 24:2) Generally, the Quran uses the same term, zina, for both fornication and adultery. Whether the partners are married or unmarried, the Quran considers every kind of illicit sexual intercourse as being zina. However, it distinguishes between the punishments to be inflicted. Adultery and fornication are considered sins in all religions. The Bible orders the death sentence for both the adulterer and the adulteress (Leviticus, 20: 10; Deuteronomy, 22: 22). There is discriminnation according to the definition of the Bible: Married man with unmarried woman is fornication. It is not considered a crime at all. In fact th eman is just order to pay money for this. (Exodus 22: 16-17, Deuteronomy. 22: 28-29). Only if the woman is married, the crime is now considered adultery. The reason given is that, the wife was considered as property of the husband and so adultery violated the husband's exclusive right to her; the wife had no rights over husband. (Adultery, Encyclopaedia Judaica, 2 column 313). So in short, the unfairness was that, if a man has committed adultery with married woman, the man violated property of another man and hence punished.
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