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Konza City. Whats the progress so far?
newfarer
#81 Posted : Sunday, February 02, 2014 7:29:31 PM
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just passed there.nothing.

was actually thinking suppose the government revives the ranch in the idle land or even starts rearing antellopes zebras and afew lions and starts a conservancy?

Siringi wrote:
so twas another quailamid schemeSad Sad

very sad

who-knows-where-much-hyped-konza-technocity-went-one-year-later

punda amecheka
jaggernaut
#82 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 11:18:54 AM
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C&P

The land selling craze that peaked before the launch of the project by Kibaki is no more apart from people who bought plots now praying to find buyers at half the price they acquired them.

“A land owner who bought seven acres of land near Mombasa Road for Sh8 million two years ago is now offering it for sale at between Sh2.5 million to Sh3 million.

Mutiso is so worried that property prices are depreciating sharply and believes they will continue to plummet unless new hope is infused into the area.


Read more at: http://www.standardmedia...one-year-later?pageNo=4
a4architect.com
#83 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 5:42:18 PM
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Konza city was a real estate project that wasn't feasible. Since it was funded using tax money,payments were made possible to various stakeholders. If it had been left to fund itself through willing buyer willing seller private sector method, its lack of viability could have been easily felt, thereby preventing thousands of kenyans from the loss they are going through currently.
Its a good lesson for kenyans who want to invest in land and property to first seek counsel from real estate consultants/architects before embarking on the investment.
I saw the Konza catastrophe even before it started. Konza will grow naturally into a city extension in the year 2030 and beyond, but not in the next 10 to 15 years. Machakos will be the place to watch next 5 to 15 years if Gov. Alfred Mutua keeps with his pace and agenda.
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Chaka
#84 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 8:08:13 PM
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@a4arch,
I followed your arguments on this project and I agree 100 pc..
simonkabz
#85 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 9:29:25 PM
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newfarer wrote:
just passed there.nothing.

was actually thinking suppose the government revives the ranch in the idle land or even starts rearing antellopes zebras and afew lions and starts a conservancy?

Siringi wrote:
so twas another quailamid schemeSad Sad

very sad

who-knows-where-much-hyped-konza-technocity-went-one-year-later



A conservancy would be a great idea.
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
jamplu
#86 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 11:06:42 PM
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someone bought 7acres @ 15Million problem he's still within the 10km and actually within the 2km green zone if anything ever happens there he still has to live with the nightmare of his land being compulsorily acquired by the govt. as per the govt an acre there is still valued at less than 300K. hopefully people are not rushing to buy near mutuas city because that might just be another konza.
Gathige
#87 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 11:44:35 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
newfarer wrote:
just passed there.nothing.

was actually thinking suppose the government revives the ranch in the idle land or even starts rearing antellopes zebras and afew lions and starts a conservancy?

Siringi wrote:
so twas another quailamid schemeSad Sad

very sad

who-knows-where-much-hyped-konza-technocity-went-one-year-later



A conservancy would be a great idea.


It would be a good place to release the millions of quails that will soon be looking for a home. Tambaya chameleon farmers will finally be vindicated!
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
murchr
#88 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 11:51:56 PM
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Meanwhile:
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THE GOVERNMENT, through Rwanda Development Board (RDB) plans to set up an ICT park that will host a collection of technological investments including training, industries, research and development.

According to Patrick Nyirishema, the Head of ICT at RDB, the plans to set up Kigali Techno Pole are on the right track. The ICT city will be located at the Kigali Special Economic Zone (KSEZ) in Nyandungu sector, Gasabo district.

“An ICT Park at Telecom House in Kacyiru was really a small level pilot of what a technology park would be. Rather than starting with a big technological park, we thought of looking for a place where we can build a techno pole on a small scale which would give us an idea of how an ICT city would be,” he explained, adding that, “Today most of the components that would make a techno pole are in ICT Park.”

Nyirishema explained that the ICT city will also house the Carnegie Melon University Rwanda (CMU-R) which is temporarily located at Telecom House.



Do a quick search on Carnegie Melon Uni
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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simonkabz
#89 Posted : Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:15:42 AM
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Gathige wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
newfarer wrote:
just passed there.nothing.

was actually thinking suppose the government revives the ranch in the idle land or even starts rearing antellopes zebras and afew lions and starts a conservancy?

Siringi wrote:
so twas another quailamid schemeSad Sad

very sad

who-knows-where-much-hyped-konza-technocity-went-one-year-later



A conservancy would be a great idea.


It would be a good place to release the millions of quails that will soon be looking for a home. Tambaya chameleon farmers will finally be vindicated!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Very poetic, the Quail Park Laughing out loudly
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
a4architect.com
#90 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 8:42:12 AM
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The sad part about Konza s that despite critisizing the project, Govt still went ahead and used our tax money to acquire the land and pay hefty fees to international lawyers,architects, engineers and town planners.

So all kenyan tax payers are loosers in the konza project as a country.
The money should have been used to fund ICT innovation at uon or JKUCAT so as to benefit tax payers .
As Iron Sharpens Iron, So one Man Sharpens Another.
Angelica _ann
#91 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:28:48 AM
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simonkabz wrote:
Gathige wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
newfarer wrote:
just passed there.nothing.

was actually thinking suppose the government revives the ranch in the idle land or even starts rearing antellopes zebras and afew lions and starts a conservancy?

Siringi wrote:
so twas another quailamid schemeSad Sad

very sad

who-knows-where-much-hyped-konza-technocity-went-one-year-later



A conservancy would be a great idea.


It would be a good place to release the millions of quails that will soon be looking for a home. Tambaya chameleon farmers will finally be vindicated!

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Very poetic, the Quail Park Laughing out loudly


Quail City is more like it!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
jamplu
#92 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:30:23 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
The sad part about Konza s that despite critisizing the project, Govt still went ahead and used our tax money to acquire the land and pay hefty fees to international lawyers,architects, engineers and town planners.

So all kenyan tax payers are loosers in the konza project as a country.
The money should have been used to fund ICT innovation at uon or JKUCAT so as to benefit tax payers .


Unfortunately bw. a4architect.com most of the govt projects on going and proposed are not well thought out and will not have any meaningful impact to this country.

jokes
#93 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2014 10:03:16 AM
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If i had idle money i would in invest in the place. Maybe buy a plot or two and wait cause i don't think the Government could have gone through all this and failed to deliver. its on paper and it has to be implemented however long we have to wait. The Government is a bureaucracy and moves painfully slowly but the Government has to work. It paid for the land using our money. It owes us. Remember the Thika road demolitions started in 2002 and we got the road in 2012.
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#94 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2014 10:16:05 AM
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@jokes, the thika road project was feasible from all points of view hence taking the 10 years from concept to completion.
For Konza, no matter which angle any one wants to look at it, there is just no justification . Konza will grow naturally just as all towns frow. Growth starts from CBD then radiates to Athi river then Machakos junction /Machakos town then to Konza then to Makindu all the way to Mombasa in the next 50 to 100 years or so. This growth tends to follow the road/rilway hence it will be along the mombasa road and only branches towards Machakos because of the exisiting machakos infrastructure.

For Konza to jump all the empty undeveloped spaces between Athi river and Machakos junction, i dont see the possibility in the near 10 to 15 years. The growth at Konza will just have to follow this pattern.
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Muriel
#95 Posted : Friday, February 07, 2014 10:56:02 AM
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The only thing I know about Konza City is @Alma.

jokes
#96 Posted : Saturday, February 08, 2014 10:34:46 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@jokes, the thika road project was feasible from all points of view hence taking the 10 years from concept to completion.
For Konza, no matter which angle any one wants to look at it, there is just no justification . Konza will grow naturally just as all towns frow. Growth starts from CBD then radiates to Athi river then Machakos junction /Machakos town then to Konza then to Makindu all the way to Mombasa in the next 50 to 100 years or so. This growth tends to follow the road/rilway hence it will be along the mombasa road and only branches towards Machakos because of the exisiting machakos infrastructure.

For Konza to jump all the empty undeveloped spaces between Athi river and Machakos junction, i dont see the possibility in the near 10 to 15 years. The growth at Konza will just have to follow this pattern.


Which CBD?? anyway your observations have made me think. The former Govt spokesman was out of the block first/fast...makes you think....
Did you know the vision2030 website is down...
poundfoolish
#97 Posted : Saturday, February 08, 2014 1:23:08 PM
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a4architect.com wrote:
@jokes, the thika road project was feasible from all points of view hence taking the 10 years from concept to completion.
For Konza, no matter which angle any one wants to look at it, there is just no justification . Konza will grow naturally just as all towns frow. Growth starts from CBD then radiates to Athi river then Machakos junction /Machakos town then to Konza then to Makindu all the way to Mombasa in the next 50 to 100 years or so. This growth tends to follow the road/rilway hence it will be along the mombasa road and only branches towards Machakos because of the exisiting machakos infrastructure.

For Konza to jump all the empty undeveloped spaces between Athi river and Machakos junction, i dont see the possibility in the near 10 to 15 years. The growth at Konza will just have to follow this pattern.


Thika road feasible? maybe the initial designs and plans were.. but on the ground right now.. It is a bad 30B debt.
Jam starts from Safaricom nowdays and lasts 1-2hours as was 5years ago.

Back to Konza.. I hope Matiang'i will communicate what is happening soon enough.
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#98 Posted : Saturday, February 08, 2014 2:23:52 PM
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@pound, Thika Rd was very good in the first few months. Then we all bought cars which we all want to drive to work. Traffic jam problem is unlikely to be sorted by expansion of road and rail networks as we will still buy more cars for daily drives to work
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#99 Posted : Saturday, February 08, 2014 2:25:35 PM
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@jokes, i like your point....
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murchr
#100 Posted : Saturday, February 08, 2014 5:30:44 PM
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poundfoolish wrote:
a4architect.com wrote:
@jokes, the thika road project was feasible from all points of view hence taking the 10 years from concept to completion.
For Konza, no matter which angle any one wants to look at it, there is just no justification . Konza will grow naturally just as all towns frow. Growth starts from CBD then radiates to Athi river then Machakos junction /Machakos town then to Konza then to Makindu all the way to Mombasa in the next 50 to 100 years or so. This growth tends to follow the road/rilway hence it will be along the mombasa road and only branches towards Machakos because of the exisiting machakos infrastructure.

For Konza to jump all the empty undeveloped spaces between Athi river and Machakos junction, i dont see the possibility in the near 10 to 15 years. The growth at Konza will just have to follow this pattern.


Thika road feasible? maybe the initial designs and plans were.. but on the ground right now.. It is a bad 30B debt.
Jam starts from Safaricom nowdays and lasts 1-2hours as was 5years ago.

Back to Konza.. I hope Matiang'i will communicate what is happening soon enough.


What Matiang'i will not tell you is that people feel that this project should have been in Thika so thats where the bureaucracy problem is coming from.
Konza city dev plan is no different from what Mutua is planning in Mks just that the latter is in small scale.

Those who have had the privilege of travelling will tell you that Konza is a replica of other developments elsewhere, tho in a small scale. I will get a bit personal, between where i work and where i live i can count more than 15 IT related companies that have their offices set up for the obvious reason of infrastructure(Cable, both fiber & electric are underground thus downtimes are minimal, in simple terms hakuna wizi wa mafuta ya transformer ama wire za simu etc). Apart frm tht, there are apartments, normal shops (clothing, restaurants of all kinds, hotels, banks, discos, amusement parks etc) People rarely leave to do anything elsewhere. Ndemo has traveled he knows what he was advocating for, just that its hard for people who havent experienced it to understand. B4 i left Nai, i always thot there was nothing else better out there.

architects descriptions of how towns and cities should come up or evolve is a description of how eastlands came to be, the mess that is Nrb today. An exhibit of lack of planning. The last time planning happened in Nrb was when mzungu was at the helm. I guess the African never got to understand the concept.

Who knows what the population limit of Nrb is?

Now to Thika rd. See how infrastructure draws a population, people moved from other parts of the city & they went to that part of town. Lack of planning again is causing a mess. Cities and towns should have a population limit, and one way of doing this is defining the purpose of the city/town. I have been to areas just set for medical purposes. A cancer center, university, normal hospitals, nursing homes, a pharmaceutical, rehab center etc. Kinda like how upperhill (the area where theres KNH NBR hosp Doc plaza, etc ) in summary, zoning
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