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jguru
#101 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 12:11:03 PM
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keraka wrote:
Whats really happening in kenya.This middle class mentality of accept and move on and not asking the hard questions is our greatest bane.Now how how does a public high school supported by the Government with Teachers on the Government payroll charge more than a private high school whose foremost objective is to make profits.How now does one public School charge double the other in the same country(my nephew has an admission letter from Ribe High with an annual fees of KShs.56,000, Kisii High's annual fees is approximately 110,000. As we run helter skelter chasing the ghosts of corruption in Govt bealive me High School principals are the latest Millionaires we are minting from corruption.


Those places in national schools that are not being picked up by poor students are being sold off to parents with money by the principals. National schools had intakes of 300 students average, so if 50 do not turn up and he/she can sell a spot for Kes50,000; that's 2.5 million easy cash.

What if all the parents declined to pay the ridiculously high school fees? Let ALL the students stay at home?
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#102 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 12:15:57 PM
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Anyone seen the KCPE results and schools selection? These have not yet been posted on education.go.ke
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Tebes
#103 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 12:19:09 PM
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jguru wrote:
keraka wrote:
Whats really happening in kenya.This middle class mentality of accept and move on and not asking the hard questions is our greatest bane.Now how how does a public high school supported by the Government with Teachers on the Government payroll charge more than a private high school whose foremost objective is to make profits.How now does one public School charge double the other in the same country(my nephew has an admission letter from Ribe High with an annual fees of KShs.56,000, Kisii High's annual fees is approximately 110,000. As we run helter skelter chasing the ghosts of corruption in Govt bealive me High School principals are the latest Millionaires we are minting from corruption.


Those places in national schools that are not being picked up by poor students are being sold off to parents with money by the principals. National schools had intakes of 300 students average, so if 50 do not turn up and he/she can sell a spot for Kes50,000; that's 2.5 million easy cash.

What if all the parents declined to pay the ridiculously high school fees? Let ALL the students stay at home?



A colleague was told to part with the same when he enquired what it was for, he was told the intake is already full and that is for construction of an extra dormitory.
Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall

No receipt was issued nor were the funds banked like the "other fees". CashSad
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Angelica _ann
#104 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 12:43:06 PM
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Tebes wrote:
jguru wrote:
keraka wrote:
Whats really happening in kenya.This middle class mentality of accept and move on and not asking the hard questions is our greatest bane.Now how how does a public high school supported by the Government with Teachers on the Government payroll charge more than a private high school whose foremost objective is to make profits.How now does one public School charge double the other in the same country(my nephew has an admission letter from Ribe High with an annual fees of KShs.56,000, Kisii High's annual fees is approximately 110,000. As we run helter skelter chasing the ghosts of corruption in Govt bealive me High School principals are the latest Millionaires we are minting from corruption.


Those places in national schools that are not being picked up by poor students are being sold off to parents with money by the principals. National schools had intakes of 300 students average, so if 50 do not turn up and he/she can sell a spot for Kes50,000; that's 2.5 million easy cash.

What if all the parents declined to pay the ridiculously high school fees? Let ALL the students stay at home?



A colleague was told to part with the same when he enquired what it was for, he was told the intake is already full and that is for construction of an extra dormitory.
Brick wall Brick wall Brick wall

No receipt was issued nor were the funds banked like the "other fees". CashSad

Not that i support it. But as long as there is eating at the national level, these activities will be devolved upto the village. Too bad for a growing economy like this one of ours!
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mukiha
#105 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 2:18:04 PM
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My children are in a public primary school. Last three years we've seen it's KCPE results go down steadily.

On searching for the reason why, we found that one of the contributing factors is private schools poaching the brightest pupils as they join class 7... and "damping" their poor ones on us!

See, while a public school cannot stop a parent from removing a child, it also not allowed to lock out any child! So, private schools mistreat their poor performers to the point where the parents realise that they are better off in a public school...
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#106 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 2:47:18 PM
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mukiha wrote:
My children are in a public primary school. Last three years we've seen it's KCPE results go down steadily.

On searching for the reason why, we found that one of the contributing factors is private schools poaching the brightest pupils as they join class 7... and "damping" their poor ones on us!

See, while a public school cannot stop a parent from removing a child, it also not allowed to lock out any child! So, private schools mistreat their poor performers to the point where the parents realise that they are better off in a public school...


1. Dumping ama?

2. Dont quite get the last paragraph, fafanua?
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Swenani
#107 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 3:06:39 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
mukiha wrote:
My children are in a public primary school. Last three years we've seen it's KCPE results go down steadily.

On searching for the reason why, we found that one of the contributing factors is private schools poaching the brightest pupils as they join class 7... and "damping" their poor ones on us!

See, while a public school cannot stop a parent from removing a child( He means a public school cannot stop a parent to transfer their kid to a private school), it also not allowed to lock out any child!(A public school is a public school;It cannot lock out or fail to admit a student who came from a private school) So, private schools mistreat their poor performers to the point where the parents realise that they are better off in a public school...(Private schools frustrate poor performers who are then forced to seek admission in public schools)


1. Dumping ama?

2. Dont quite get the last paragraph, fafanua?

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#108 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 3:41:49 PM
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I have volunteered to pay for an orphan her school fees, I can tell you that the fee structure I have received from Moi Girls-Eldoret is suspect, using MARS-Group lenses. When I was in high school I paid 12k/year for 4years. Yes it was day na ni county school. Siku hizi sijui hawa mahead teachers wanatengeneza nini makwao.
Angelica _ann
#109 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 3:51:01 PM
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During them days, free primary education was FREE! While Form 1 to 6 costed less than 10k. University was FREE including accomodation and meals (real food made real good) plus cash (boom) on top! We seem to renegading on our development agendas!

And University was university not Rongo University in the middle of no-where! we are in for trouble in the next 10 years.
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keraka
#110 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 4:21:13 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
During them days, free primary education was FREE! While Form 1 to 6 costed less than 10k. University was FREE including accomodation and meals (real food made real good) plus cash (boom) on top! We seem to renegading on our development agendas!

And University was university not Rongo University in the middle of no-where! we are in for trouble in the next 10 years.


Ati Kisii University keroka Campus,UON Taita Taveta Campus surely hata kama.It sounds so preposterous but its true that some students will graduate without ever having been to a major commercial centre in kenya.

Between MKU charges 110k pa for a law Degree while UON charges 174 pa for the same.The rate at which MKU is acquiring commercial buildings in the CBD of towns all over kenya can just tell you how much is generated from this enterprise.Does UNES ever declare Dividends ama where does that money go.
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Swenani
#111 Posted : Monday, February 03, 2014 4:29:53 PM
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keraka wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
During them days, free primary education was FREE! While Form 1 to 6 costed less than 10k. University was FREE including accomodation and meals (real food made real good) plus cash (boom) on top! We seem to renegading on our development agendas!

And University was university not Rongo University in the middle of no-where! we are in for trouble in the next 10 years.


Ati Kisii University keroka Campus,UON Taita Taveta Campus surely hata kama.It sounds so preposterous but its true that some students will graduate without ever having been to a major commercial centre in kenya.

Between MKU charges 110k pa for a law Degree while UON charges 174 pa for the same.The rate at which MKU is acquiring commercial buildings in the CBD of towns all over kenya can just tell you how much is generated from this enterprise.Does UNES ever declare Dividends ama where does that money go.


In my understandng,UNES is the commercial arm of UON hence all the profit goes to UON
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Swenani
#112 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 8:54:53 AM
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Kenya: Private primary schools say they have lost thousands of pupils to public institutions this year due to the Form One selection quota system that has disadvantaged candidates from academies. Representatives of the academies yesterday said some 58,000 pupils in Standard Seven and Eight were transferred to public schools at the start of the first term last month. The pupils, they alleged, were moved to public schools to improve their chances of being selected to join top secondary schools after the Kenya Certificate of Primary Education (KCPE) exam. Parents have apparently taken advantage of the three-month window to transfer their children, as the Kenya National Examination Council (Knec) registration deadline for candidates is March 31. Kenya Private Schools Association (Kepsa) said they gathered the figures from their members across the country. Kepsa Chief Executive Officer Peter Ndoro claimed private schools had lost over 100,000 pupils to public schools since the implementation of the quota system in 2011.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia...ivate-to-public-schools
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nakujua
#113 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 9:41:03 AM
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The obsession with national schools is alarming, with the fees being charged - it would be prudent, especially on a tight budget to have your kid school in a decent (what used to be called district / provincial - I don't know what they call them now) school, and save the cash for a decent college education ama biashara for your kid.

I think they would have a better chance of a decent life.
mwenza
#114 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:40:51 AM
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Swenani wrote:
Kenya: Private primary schools say they have lost thousands of pupils to public institutions this year due to the Form One selection quota system that has disadvantaged candidates from academies. Representatives of the academies yesterday said some 58,000 pupils in Standard Seven and Eight were transferred to public schools at the start of the first term last month. The pupils, they alleged, were moved to public schools to improve their chances of being selected to join top secondary schools after the Kenya Certificate of Primary Education (KCPE) exam. Parents have apparently taken advantage of the three-month window to transfer their children, as the Kenya National Examination Council (Knec) registration deadline for candidates is March 31. Kenya Private Schools Association (Kepsa) said they gathered the figures from their members across the country. Kepsa Chief Executive Officer Peter Ndoro claimed private schools had lost over 100,000 pupils to public schools since the implementation of the quota system in 2011.
Read more at: http://www.standardmedia...ivate-to-public-schools



That is what happens when discriminatory and reactionary policies are enacted in a hurry without much thought. It should not have taken a rocket scientist to realize that frustrated parents would sooner than later devise ways to beat the system. The parents started devising these methods two years ago after the discriminatory policies were put in place three years ago.

When the grey-haired ministry of education mandarins came up with these policies, what they had in mind was that all private schools were high-cost schools in the same category as Makini, Riara, Serare, Booker etc. What they forgot was that majority of these so-called private academies are just a little bit higher than most public schools.

Though he was ran out of town, I used to like @Alma's stand on illogical government policies which are never adequately thought out before being rolled out. Consequently, such policies end up being punitive and therefore unworkable.

Meanwhile how does anybody in his right mind expect a parent who was unable to afford Kshs 40,000/= ( the fees in most average private primary schools) to pay Kshs. 120,000/= in a top national school?

Let's now wait and see what policies these grey-haired guys in the ministry of education will come up with to beat the systems devised by frustrated parents.
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nakujua
#115 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 10:54:59 AM
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mwenza wrote:

Meanwhile how does anybody in his right mind expect a parent who was unable to afford Kshs 40,000/= ( the fees in most average private schools) to pay Kshs. 120,000/= in a top national school?


true, the figures I see quoted around as the fees for national schools are just ridiculous amounts.
for those who studied in the top national schools, what necessitates this, is it the food, accommodation - apart from the bright kids what is the difference in facilities between the top schools and their district counterparts, that would justify such costs.
jguru
#116 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 12:15:03 PM
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nakujua wrote:
mwenza wrote:

Meanwhile how does anybody in his right mind expect a parent who was unable to afford Kshs 40,000/= ( the fees in most average private schools) to pay Kshs. 120,000/= in a top national school?


true, the figures I see quoted around as the fees for national schools are just ridiculous amounts.
for those who studied in the top national schools, what necessitates this, is it the food, accommodation - apart from the bright kids what is the difference in facilities between the top schools and their district counterparts, that would justify such costs.


The difference in facilities between say Alliance/Starehe/Kabarak and a county or provincial school is huge. The science labs, the libraries, computer labs, dormitories, classrooms, teachers, principals, systems that are put in place, extra-curricula activities etc are all superior to the other schools.

e.g. Starehe had 3 fully-fledged computer labs in 1994 with computers and servers that students could use and learn with, yet Computer Studies was not in the syllabus then.
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#117 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 12:16:14 PM
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Wendz wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
kollabo wrote:
The same applies to New Light Komarock. Ati 20 candidates!

So which was the genuine top school in Nairobi? i.e. One that registered all the candidates and did well.....with over 50 students?


someone answer this question.


From this data, the Top school in Nairobi appears to be St Mary's Ruaraka. They registered all their 83 students in one centre.

5. a. Top Schools in Nairobi County
School - Candidates - Mean score
1. Makini Ngong Road Academy - 22 - 425
2. Newlight Komarock - 24 - 420
3. Al-Ansaaru Nursery & Primary School - 25 - 399
4. St Mary's Ruaraka - 83 - 390
5. Tender Care - 62 - 389

The top student in Nairobi and also No. 3 nationally with 442 marks was from the school.
nakujua
#118 Posted : Wednesday, February 05, 2014 1:31:02 PM
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jguru wrote:
nakujua wrote:
mwenza wrote:

Meanwhile how does anybody in his right mind expect a parent who was unable to afford Kshs 40,000/= ( the fees in most average private schools) to pay Kshs. 120,000/= in a top national school?


true, the figures I see quoted around as the fees for national schools are just ridiculous amounts.
for those who studied in the top national schools, what necessitates this, is it the food, accommodation - apart from the bright kids what is the difference in facilities between the top schools and their district counterparts, that would justify such costs.


The difference in facilities between say Alliance/Starehe/Kabarak and a county or provincial school is huge. The science labs, the libraries, computer labs, dormitories, classrooms, teachers, principals, systems that are put in place, extra-curricula activities etc are all superior to the other schools.

e.g. Starehe had 3 fully-fledged computer labs in 1994 with computers and servers that students could use and learn with, yet Computer Studies was not in the syllabus then.

The computer labs/ libraries/ Swimming pools ...
makes sense.
Went to a district school and the most complex lab equipment must have been the bunsen burner, which was under the teacher's rigid control.

but the government should subsidize the cost, what they are charging per year is what a jab university student pays for a 4 year course.
Swenani
#119 Posted : Thursday, February 06, 2014 10:32:33 AM
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KAJIADO, KENYA: A 43-year-old man in Ngong, Kajiado County has committed suicide over lack of school fees as form one students report to school.

The deceased who hails from Ngong’s Gichagi area hanged himself on a tree in Kibiko forest after leaving his home in the morning where he had informed his wife and children that he had gone to his work place, as usual.

Reports indicate that the deceased, a father of six, who was masonry and worked in building and construction sites, had secured a job in Nairobi.

According to his workmates, the deceased, who had a child joining form one had earlier complained of high school fees considering the meager pay from his casual job.

Henry Kinuthia, a neighbor told The Standard that the deceased was in good mood despite the problems he had raised.

“The deceased left in the morning but his workmates called later to inquire why he had failed to report to his work place,” Kinuthia told The Standard.

Kinuthia said the school fee for secondary schools has alarmed parents and children from poor families.

Ngong Police boss, Mohamed Farah confirmed the incident and said the deceased’s body was found dangling on a tree in Kibiko forest by women who were fetching firewood.

“The deceased body was found dangling on a tree in Kibiko forest by women who reported the matter to police. We have launched investigations over the matter,” Farah told The Standard.
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#120 Posted : Thursday, February 06, 2014 1:10:13 PM
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nakujua wrote:
mwenza wrote:

Meanwhile how does anybody in his right mind expect a parent who was unable to afford Kshs 40,000/= ( the fees in most average private schools) to pay Kshs. 120,000/= in a top national school?


true, the figures I see quoted around as the fees for national schools are just ridiculous amounts.
for those who studied in the top national schools, what necessitates this, is it the food, accommodation - apart from the bright kids what is the difference in facilities between the top schools and their district counterparts, that would justify such costs.


The Ksh.120,000/= fee (the highest) is per year!!!

Or simply put Ksh.450/= per day (incl. tuition, food, accomodation, water, electricity, lab chemicals, sports facilities etc).

It is actually quite cheap!!!

However, since many parents cannot afford this, then GoK & county Govts should find ways to assist with bursaries, or even 'loans' akin to HELBs.
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