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The 100: the Most Influential Persons in History
McReggae
#21 Posted : Friday, January 10, 2014 4:07:48 PM
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willin2learn wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Looking at the likes of Osama Bin Laden, Michael Hart might be right that he is the most influential, I mean all these Islamic extremists quote Muhammad!!!!


Word! As long as the kind of influence is not qualified


When guys almost unanimously that Osama has been influential I clearly saw the Muhammad connection!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
tycho
#22 Posted : Friday, January 10, 2014 4:33:59 PM
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@AlphDoti, I know of atleast one 'historian' who doubts the idea of 'history as progress'. Your historian believes in progress. So if we are to appeal to the authority of the historian how would we go about it?

Perhaps you are arguing as a historian. So I ask what does it imply to be first on a list which doesn't entail a chronological order? For example, of what import would it be if Mohammed was ranked 7th? Would you doubt Islam? So what happens to the Confucianists who are even ranked lower than Christians?

Then, if Mohammed is indeed the last prophet, should he be on such a list?
AlphDoti
#23 Posted : Saturday, January 11, 2014 12:17:44 PM
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Yours faithful Philip ‘Battousai’ Walubengo put it straight and clear: "That is what our media is... All they care about is sales sales sales money money money and ... profit."

You see an Amercian in America, writing a book, with over 2 million Christians on Earth, or 6 million Jews, his customers. The market was writing for was the Americans, the Christians and the Jews.

I said he gave his reason for the choice, the honours of Christianity is to be divided between Paul and Jesus Christ (pbuh). And the real founder of Christinity is not Jesus Christ, but saint Paul. And everything that a Christian is preaching, is not the preaching of Jesus, but the teachings of Paul. Whenever you have a dialogue with a Christian, we're asking him do you keep the laws and commandments? Because Jesus said so, he said one or one title shall not be removed from the law, but all be fulfilled. Do you keep these laws and commandments? He said whosoever shall break one of these commandments, or shall teach men so, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever shall teach, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Do you keep the laws and commandments? The Christian says no.
So you ask him why don't you? He says the law is nailed to the cross. He says now we are leaving under grace. So you ask where did you get that? He says COrrinthians, Philippians, Galatians. So you ask him who is that? He says it is Paul, Paul, Paul.
SO you ask him what did your master say? He says no, we don't talk about the master Jesus, they don't talk about him. They talk about Paul, Paul, Paul.... even when Paul contradicts them in anything they choose Paul. The real founder of Christianity is Paul.

So this man Michael H. Hart he gives it that if it were not for Paul, Jesus would have come number two.
So the honor is divided the two, so Jesus comes number three. So I'm asking please account for it, why should an American in America publish a book, which he wants to do business, and he provokes his customers? You see in business we say that the customer is always right. You must apeace your customer, if you want to do business. You must please your customers, you don't argue and debate with your customers. Otherwise, they don't come back. But this man Michael is telling his customers that they were wrong, and he is right.

Now if a Christians confirms what God already told us in the Quran, He says:
"Most certainly thou Muhammad stands at high behaviour"
It makes us happy, that a Christian in America he goes to confirm what the Quran said 1400 years ago.
But the problem is I said account for it. Why should he go out of his way and provoke his customers.

Of course some people will say maybe some Arab might have bribed this fellow. They say you know Arabs are very rich, they money. I say it is possible but it is not probable, it won't enter the minds of my brothers in Islam.
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