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Lol, let gays drill each other if they want, some of the guys who bash gays are actually closet homosexuals, i dont know why guys are mad? if its not your ass then jipe shughli, infact guys should be happy coz its more airports for us
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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masukuma wrote:lets face it, homosexuals have always been with us. they lived relatively quiet lives and no one really bothered them until they started shouting from the roof-tops that they want 'rights'. if they were bright they would continue about their business quietly since this environment is hostile to them. the problem is that the fundamentalist views of the west ( once it makes its mind on something it cannot be persuaded otherwise). Everybody has a right to free speech. This is not a dictatorship where some people are only to be seen and not be heard. Everybody deserves a chance to air their grievances in a democracy. If the environment is hostile to them then they have every right to complain about the hostility. Why should everybody else live peaceful lives and not gay people? Isn't that discrimination? ......which happens to be the worst crime against humanity. There is no room for any kind of discrimination in this world. Racial, sexual, religious or otherwise, all human beings are equal and no group of people should have to live in a hostile environment because of their orientation. Period.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hamburglar wrote:Jus Blazin wrote:@hamburglar, if I said, based on african culture of decades past, that polygamy is inherent, would I be wrong? Yes, you would be wrong. There is a difference between inherent and unwitting traditions. We are more educated now so we know what's inherent and what' was acquired through generations. Acquired backward traditions can be eradicated through civilization but you can't get rid of inherence. Polygamy is and was always a choice but we can excuse our forefathers for practicing it because they didn't know any better. Decades past, in African cultures, people were not as civilized and couldn't reason beyond their primal instincts. It's a new generation so let's move away from such nonsense. Marry one woman and one woman only. We are not in the jungle anymore. Hahahaha! There you go! How can or do the primitive acquire behavior that's not inherent? By being intelligent learners? Knowledge has it's own sociology why do you want to insinuate it can be uniform? Or that a certain form of thought is the right one?
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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hamburglar wrote:tycho wrote:hamburglar wrote:masukuma wrote:gay rights and human whites! have you ever talked to white folk about polygamy? they totally disdain it - perhaps they should know that most of us africans disdain homosexuality in the same manner. Masukuma, how can you be so rational and brilliant on most issues and so obtuse on others such as this one? You can't compare polygamy to homosexuality, one of them is a choice and the other is inherent. That's apples and oranges. Polygamy is a choice and it's wrong. If you decide to marry, be with that one woman that you marry otherwise don't get married if you want to be with more than one woman. Polygamy is just a sick vice used by African disgusting perverts to officially and unapologetically cheat on their wives. Women are not property to acquire as many as you want. Where is the integrity in having more than one wife? Surely, this is the 21st century, we need to emancipate ourselves from these archaic traditions. That's why white folk have a disdain for polygamy, because it's glorified cheating. These old African polygamous men just want to have their cake and eat it too, but if you are a real man, you will marry one woman and love that one and only woman. Don't disrespect your wife like that by bringing another woman into your home under the guise of polygamy, that 's just wrong on so many levels. Surely, our generation needs to rid ourselves of some of these despicable traditions. Marry for love and you can only love one person, so love that one person, anything else is just being perverted. I know most people don't believe that homosexuality is innate, but to each their own, i won't debate anybody on that. It's futile so let's not even go there. Frankly, @Hamburglar isn't making a different argument from @Masukuma. Only preferences are inverted, and the former seems to have more political power than the latter. Hahahaha! That's why one can say the other is 'obtuse'. And this debate seems to be thus structured everywhere I turn. It's a higly political conversation and the threat of might is right, and those who can, do. Let me give some examples. 1952: Kenya, state of emergency, Africans are being killed. In fact, over a thousand people died (a parallel of PEV?). Dedan Kimathi is the hero. But in England, Alan Turing is being chemically castrated because he was gay. Interestingly Google had to subject me to a Turing test as I was 'preparing' this post. Some 60 years later the Queen pardons Turing, and also compels her former colonies to adopt her enlightened values. Even despite the fact we are still wondering where our hero, Dedan, was buried. The African is now more disoriented than ever. Of Hamburglar and Masukuma, who is the African? None. The African doesn't seem to exist. There's nothing like 'African' position and 'European' position. Such categories belong to those who can't do. If independence is a good thing why shouldn't the queen pardon Dedan Kimathi? We are yet to have a sincere conversation on our least of problems. The other argument that homosexuality is innate and therefore and polygamy morally wrong and not innate is laughable. I suspect there's more evidence for polygamy being innate than for homosexuality being innate. We are splitting hairs. Tycho, you sound like a really nice guy but i still can never understand you to date. And it's not from a lack of trying, i just never get you bro. Are you in Colorado by any chance? Lol. For the fisrt time i understand what Tycho says and also agree!! Yes I know, I am as surprised as you. The gay rights movement is a new fad that those that want to appear to be 'with it' or 'civilized' are falling over themselves to prove is ok. Given the pervasive influence of western culture in our lives today, I suspect it will be acceptable in the next generation and 'less repulsive' but for now in my life, TOUGH LUCK. our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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iller wrote:Lol, let gays drill each other if they want, some of the guys who bash gays are actually closet homosexuals, i dont know why guys are mad? if its not your ass then jipe shughli, infact guys should be happy coz its more airports for us Thank you. Watu wajipatie shughuli.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Humba. You gave it your all, never seen you post on another thread in Wazua.
Actually, i have almost three hundred posts and obviously they are not all on this thread. So that might tell you that there is a chance that i contribute on other threads. No? Lol. But am not a very popular guy because of my opinions on some things. Hehehe. But it's all good, am a good sport.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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]@hamburglar,
in your response to jus blazing you say 'we are more educated now .....'
first, on 'we':
who are 'we'
where are 'we'
what are 'we'
how are 'we'
why are 'we'
then, on 'more educated':
by whom?
for whom?
on what?
for what?
why?
how?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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kiterunner wrote:hamburglar wrote:tycho wrote:hamburglar wrote:masukuma wrote:gay rights and human whites! have you ever talked to white folk about polygamy? they totally disdain it - perhaps they should know that most of us africans disdain homosexuality in the same manner. Masukuma, how can you be so rational and brilliant on most issues and so obtuse on others such as this one? You can't compare polygamy to homosexuality, one of them is a choice and the other is inherent. That's apples and oranges. Polygamy is a choice and it's wrong. If you decide to marry, be with that one woman that you marry otherwise don't get married if you want to be with more than one woman. Polygamy is just a sick vice used by African disgusting perverts to officially and unapologetically cheat on their wives. Women are not property to acquire as many as you want. Where is the integrity in having more than one wife? Surely, this is the 21st century, we need to emancipate ourselves from these archaic traditions. That's why white folk have a disdain for polygamy, because it's glorified cheating. These old African polygamous men just want to have their cake and eat it too, but if you are a real man, you will marry one woman and love that one and only woman. Don't disrespect your wife like that by bringing another woman into your home under the guise of polygamy, that 's just wrong on so many levels. Surely, our generation needs to rid ourselves of some of these despicable traditions. Marry for love and you can only love one person, so love that one person, anything else is just being perverted. I know most people don't believe that homosexuality is innate, but to each their own, i won't debate anybody on that. It's futile so let's not even go there. Frankly, @Hamburglar isn't making a different argument from @Masukuma. Only preferences are inverted, and the former seems to have more political power than the latter. Hahahaha! That's why one can say the other is 'obtuse'. And this debate seems to be thus structured everywhere I turn. It's a higly political conversation and the threat of might is right, and those who can, do. Let me give some examples. 1952: Kenya, state of emergency, Africans are being killed. In fact, over a thousand people died (a parallel of PEV?). Dedan Kimathi is the hero. But in England, Alan Turing is being chemically castrated because he was gay. Interestingly Google had to subject me to a Turing test as I was 'preparing' this post. Some 60 years later the Queen pardons Turing, and also compels her former colonies to adopt her enlightened values. Even despite the fact we are still wondering where our hero, Dedan, was buried. The African is now more disoriented than ever. Of Hamburglar and Masukuma, who is the African? None. The African doesn't seem to exist. There's nothing like 'African' position and 'European' position. Such categories belong to those who can't do. If independence is a good thing why shouldn't the queen pardon Dedan Kimathi? We are yet to have a sincere conversation on our least of problems. The other argument that homosexuality is innate and therefore and polygamy morally wrong and not innate is laughable. I suspect there's more evidence for polygamy being innate than for homosexuality being innate. We are splitting hairs. Tycho, you sound like a really nice guy but i still can never understand you to date. And it's not from a lack of trying, i just never get you bro. Are you in Colorado by any chance? Lol. For the fisrt time i understand what Tycho says and also agree!! Yes I know, I am as surprised as you. The gay rights movement is a new fad that those that want to appear to be 'with it' or 'civilized' are falling over themselves to prove is ok. Given the pervasive influence of western culture in our lives today, I suspect it will be acceptable in the next generation and 'less repulsive' but for now in my life, TOUGH LUCK. Ummmm, who is trying to be "with it?" Lol. This is not a case of being with it or trying to be cool, this is people fighting against discrimination and other human infringements levied against gay people. This is a real issue, not some fad like a mohawk on your hair or some slim jeans. Ati fad? Really? Where people's lives are being threatened you call that a fad? I thought they outlawed illicit brews, apparently not. Lol.
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/9/2011 Posts: 730 Location: Nairobi
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hamburglar wrote:masukuma wrote:lets face it, homosexuals have always been with us. they lived relatively quiet lives and no one really bothered them until they started shouting from the roof-tops that they want 'rights'. if they were bright they would continue about their business quietly since this environment is hostile to them. the problem is that the fundamentalist views of the west ( once it makes its mind on something it cannot be persuaded otherwise). Everybody has a right to free speech. This is not a dictatorship where some people are only to be seen and not be heard. Everybody deserves a chance to air their grievances in a democracy. If the environment is hostile to them then they have every right to complain about the hostility. Why should everybody else live peaceful lives and not gay people? Isn't that discrimination? ......which happens to be the worst crime against humanity. There is no room for any kind of discrimination in this world. Racial, sexual, religious or otherwise, all human beings are equal and no group of people should have to live in a hostile environment because of their orientation. Period. SMH, I have no words at all!!!  our goals are best achieved indirectly
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Muriel wrote:]@hamburglar,
in your response to jus blazing you say 'we are more educated now .....'
first, on 'we':
who are 'we'
where are 'we'
what are 'we'
how are 'we'
why are 'we'
then, on 'more educated':
by whom?
for whom?
on what?
for what?
why?
how? We is society. The 21st century generation. Everything else you have asked is kinda redundant and makes as much sense as watching paint dry.
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