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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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@Nabwire, you've put it to @Ham in the best way  . I ristraint myself, less I said things in a much militant way and cause anyone to feel offended. You see, @ham says one thing in one issue and says the opposite in another issue. I'm not sure if he listens to his own conversation! No one is saying he's Mr. judging or holier than thou attitude. No. But I have raised important earlier. When these gay people are happy because they got their rights from the constitution, but what about the rights of the baby?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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[quote=Nabwire]Wewe Hamburglar hapo umetudanganya sana! I do agree that adults should be left to do whatever they please, BUT, the whole gay rights movement does infringe on people's rights to not have stuff shoved in their faces. You make it seem like gay people are just innocently going about their business, that is certainly not the case. In California, school children are now being taught about gay history, in commercials and tv shows there are all kinds of gay depictions not to mention the numerous stories on talk shows about how a 5 year old finally came out to his parents and the world as gay!!! Excuse my French, but I know BS when I see it, 5 year olds should not have any inkling of what a relationship is leave alone knowing whether they are homosexual! Parents who just want to raise their kids and protect their innocence are in a bind, because everywhere they turn, there are sexual overtones. I wouldn't mind if the whole gay movement was restricted within consenting adults, but its far from that!! And I find it quite amusing how you castigate one vice then go all out to defend another, someone on the other side could flip the script and use words like 'archaic', 'perverted', 'disgusting' etc on your chosen
I lived in the States for 16 years and not once has anybody ever shoved any gay agenda in my face. Never happened. I think you are exaggerating a little bit to gain some milage. I have plenty of gay friends and not even once has anybody ever brought up the topic when we were hanging out. We hang out as friends, in fact sometimes i even forgot that they were gay because these people are just regular people like everyone else, they just have an alternative sexual lifestyle that they keep in their bedrooms just like how heterosexuals keep theirs in their bedroom. It's really that simple. These people are not trying to recruit anybody, that is the work of the evangelicals who are castigating them and yet they themselves are guilty of shoving religion down our throats everywhere you go. I am tired of being asked if i am saved or that i will go to hell for being an atheist, i don't care about hell and religion just don't knock on my door on Saturday morning to shove your religion down my throat. Gay people will never try to ask anybody to be gay, never ever. You will never find a gay person asking you to be gay or even hitting on you if you are not gay.
Na wire, You and i lived or still live in the States and you know that the gay people keep to themselves and do their thing. All they want is to be treated equally like everybody else. And homosexuality is not a vice, it's inherent, polygamy on the other hand is a vice that's used to exploit women and that's why i condemned it. You can't call how a person was born, a "vice".
I don't agree with a 5 year old coming out as anything, heterosexual or homosexual, what you are talking about is not about the lgbt, it's just bad parenting, it's not the gay community's fault. If this 5 year old would have come out and said he was heterosexual, it would still not be heterosexuals fault, it would be the parents fault. Nabwire, tv shows have ratings for a reason, maybe these parents should learn what PG13, FAM, rated R and so on mean. If the show is not appropriate, it's as easy as switching the channel if these parents you are talking about really want to "save" these children from the "evil gays".
Don't blame people's failure in parenting on homosexuality. What is wrong with gay depictions on TV? Parental restrictions on TV as to what your kids can watch are there for a reason. If a parent is too lazy to see or restrict what their kids are watching, how is that homosexual people's fault? You do know that they have heterosexual porn on tv as well Nabwire, right? So, if kids watch porn on Hbo or cinemax, how's that heterosexual people's fault? It's not even the TV station's fault, it's the pare t's fault. Period. Cmon man, don't blame a group of people that you don't agree with for other people's fault.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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AlphDoti wrote:@Nabwire, you've put it to @Ham in the best way . I ristraint myself, less I said things in a much militant way and cause anyone to feel offended. You see, @ham says one thing in one issue and says the opposite in another issue. I'm not sure if he listens to his own conversation! No one is saying he's Mr. judging or holier than thou attitude. No. But I have raised important earlier. When these gay people are happy because they got their rights from the constitution, but what about the rights of the baby? Alphdoti, you know that am not one to mince my words, i can take just as much as i can dish out, so, if you want to say something, as long as it does not directly insult me and is civil, go ahead and say it, i don't get offended easily. Let's have a healthy debate, we might even be able to get somewhere after all is said and done. Who knows? What are these rights of the baby that you speak of? Pkease explain, i didn't quite get the point.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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hamburglar wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@Nabwire, you've put it to @Ham in the best way . I ristraint myself, less I said things in a much militant way and cause anyone to feel offended. You see, @ham says one thing in one issue and says the opposite in another issue. I'm not sure if he listens to his own conversation! No one is saying he's Mr. judging or holier than thou attitude. No. But I have raised important earlier. When these gay people are happy because they got their rights from the constitution, but what about the rights of the baby? Alphdoti, you know that am not one to mince my words, i can take just as much as i can dish out, so, if you want to say something, as long as it does not directly insult me and is civil, go ahead and say it, i don't get offended easily. Let's have a healthy debate, we might even be able to get somewhere after all is said and done. Who knows? What are these rights of the baby that you speak of? Pkease explain, i didn't quite get the point. For you to wonder and ask if the baby has any rights is amazing. You seems to know the rights of everyone, but not the baby? You want to be told?
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@Nabwire, you've put it to @Ham in the best way . I ristraint myself, less I said things in a much militant way and cause anyone to feel offended. You see, @ham says one thing in one issue and says the opposite in another issue. I'm not sure if he listens to his own conversation! No one is saying he's Mr. judging or holier than thou attitude. No. But I have raised important earlier. When these gay people are happy because they got their rights from the constitution, but what about the rights of the baby? Alphdoti, you know that am not one to mince my words, i can take just as much as i can dish out, so, if you want to say something, as long as it does not directly insult me and is civil, go ahead and say it, i don't get offended easily. Let's have a healthy debate, we might even be able to get somewhere after all is said and done. Who knows? What are these rights of the baby that you speak of? Pkease explain, i didn't quite get the point. For you to wonder and ask if the baby has any rights is amazing. You seems to know the rights of everyone, but not the baby? You want to be told? Honestly, i want to be told, i don't know. I don't think it's that amazing that i don't know what these rights are. I never professed to know what the rights of everybody on earth are, If i gave you that impression, then my bad. There is no shame in asking, so pray tell.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2011 Posts: 1,325
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You are over reacting, please note that I am not against gay people, what I am against is children being indoctrinated with gay issues! What is the purpose of teaching children about gay rights and how love is love whether heterosexual or homosexual? What happened to the tired cliché of 'what happens between consenting adults is none of your business'? Gimme a break, this issue is not as black and white as you would like us to believe. One thing I know for sure is watching tv 10 years ago is very different than watching tv now, even family friendly programs are filled with sexual overtones.
You may wanna refrain from saying never ever, I have gay acquaintances too, and believe me they are not innocently going about their business, they have repeatedly told me that turning a straight man gay is a big highlight for them, its called getting turnt out. Maybe your friends are just different, but I have had a different experience. All I'm saying is let those of us who actually don't give a hoot about gay lifestyle be, and please let the children have the joy of childhood innocence! Hakuna matata!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hamburglar wrote:masukuma wrote:gay rights and human whites! have you ever talked to white folk about polygamy? they totally disdain it - perhaps they should know that most of us africans disdain homosexuality in the same manner. Masukuma, how can you be so rational and brilliant on most issues and so obtuse on others such as this one? You can't compare polygamy to homosexuality, one of them is a choice and the other is inherent. That's apples and oranges. Polygamy is a choice and it's wrong. If you decide to marry, be with that one woman that you marry otherwise don't get married if you want to be with more than one woman. Polygamy is just a sick vice used by African disgusting perverts to officially and unapologetically cheat on their wives. Women are not property to acquire as many as you want. Where is the integrity in having more than one wife? Surely, this is the 21st century, we need to emancipate ourselves from these archaic traditions. That's why white folk have a disdain for polygamy, because it's glorified cheating. These old African polygamous men just want to have their cake and eat it too, but if you are a real man, you will marry one woman and love that one and only woman. Don't disrespect your wife like that by bringing another woman into your home under the guise of polygamy, that 's just wrong on so many levels. Surely, our generation needs to rid ourselves of some of these despicable traditions. Marry for love and you can only love one person, so love that one person, anything else is just being perverted. I know most people don't believe that homosexuality is innate, but to each their own, i won't debate anybody on that. It's futile so let's not even go there. Frankly, @Hamburglar isn't making a different argument from @Masukuma. Only preferences are inverted, and the former seems to have more political power than the latter. Hahahaha! That's why one can say the other is 'obtuse'. And this debate seems to be thus structured everywhere I turn. It's a higly political conversation and the threat of might is right, and those who can, do. Let me give some examples. 1952: Kenya, state of emergency, Africans are being killed. In fact, over a thousand people died (a parallel of PEV?). Dedan Kimathi is the hero. But in England, Alan Turing is being chemically castrated because he was gay. Interestingly Google had to subject me to a Turing test as I was 'preparing' this post. Some 60 years later the Queen pardons Turing, and also compels her former colonies to adopt her enlightened values. Even despite the fact we are still wondering where our hero, Dedan, was buried. The African is now more disoriented than ever. Of Hamburglar and Masukuma, who is the African? None. The African doesn't seem to exist. There's nothing like 'African' position and 'European' position. Such categories belong to those who can't do. If independence is a good thing why shouldn't the queen pardon Dedan Kimathi? We are yet to have a sincere conversation on our least of problems. The other argument that homosexuality is innate and therefore and polygamy morally wrong and not innate is laughable. I suspect there's more evidence for polygamy being innate than for homosexuality being innate. We are splitting hairs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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God made Adam and Eve,not Adam and Steve.....actually,he made man of His own image.If He wanted there to be gays,He would not have plucked Adam's rib.He would have photo-copied Adam. He refers to Eve as "your" helper. Someone who is screwing your ass isn't helping you for heaven's sake. Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/17/2011 Posts: 887
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Nabwire wrote:You are over reacting, please note that I am not against gay people, what I am against is children being indoctrinated with gay issues! What is the purpose of teaching children about gay rights and how love is love whether heterosexual or homosexual? What happened to the tired cliché of 'what happens between consenting adults is none of your business'? Gimme a break, this issue is not as black and white as you would like us to believe. One thing I know for sure is watching tv 10 years ago is very different than watching tv now, even family friendly programs are filled with sexual overtones.
You may wanna refrain from saying never ever, I have gay acquaintances too, and believe me they are not innocently going about their business, they have repeatedly told me that turning a straight man gay is a big highlight for them, its called getting turnt out. Maybe your friends are just different, but I have had a different experience. All I'm saying is let those of us who actually don't give a hoot about gay lifestyle be, and please let the children have the joy of childhood innocence! Hakuna matata! Nabwire, one of my best friends is very gay and he has never ever been interested in straight people. I find your assertions that gay people try to turn straight people gay a little dishonest. It's just not true. They might say that a straight guy is cute but they would never try to hit on a straight guy because they know that the guy is not wired to be gay anyway so the advances would be moot. Why waste time trying to turn a straight guy when they have plenty of their kind to go around? I think you are slighting these people because of your dislike for their lifestyle which is a little unfair. You can't be objective where hate is involved. And gay people are not trying to indoctrinize any kids. They are not social deviants that are trying to corrupt kids, if gay history is being taught in schools, is that gay people's fault or the school system's fault? Gay people never once asked for their lifestyle or history to be taught in schools, so once again you are passing the buck and blaming gay people for other people's faults. The gays cannot control what is being taught in schools, that responsibility squarely falls on the department of Education laps and the schools that teach it. Same thing for any kind of sex education in school, not just gay. Isn't that being selective when you say gay education is wrong but not the other kinds of sexual history? They are all wrong, so let's call it like it is. And lastly, if a TV show is rated FAM or PG13, trust me, even the commercials are fitted to suit that demographic. Nabwire, there are bodies that are there to regulate these things on Tv, you live in the States so you should be familiar with the FCC and what their role on tV and radio is. Trust me, if a family snow on TV was rated FAM and showed R rated commercials, they would be hearing from the FCC in record time and be faced with some very stiff penalties and in some extreme cases, some sort of ban. You know this, so there is no need for me to expound on it. If a kid is watching anything sexual on TV, it's squarely the parents fault, not the TV station, heterosexuals or homosexuals fault for that matter. Let's place the blame where the fault is and not where you would like it to be.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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hamburglar wrote:AlphDoti wrote:hamburglar wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@Nabwire, you've put it to @Ham in the best way . I ristraint myself, less I said things in a much militant way and cause anyone to feel offended. You see, @ham says one thing in one issue and says the opposite in another issue. I'm not sure if he listens to his own conversation! No one is saying he's Mr. judging or holier than thou attitude. No. But I have raised important earlier. When these gay people are happy because they got their rights from the constitution, but what about the rights of the baby? Alphdoti, you know that am not one to mince my words, i can take just as much as i can dish out, so, if you want to say something, as long as it does not directly insult me and is civil, go ahead and say it, i don't get offended easily. Let's have a healthy debate, we might even be able to get somewhere after all is said and done. Who knows? What are these rights of the baby that you speak of? Pkease explain, i didn't quite get the point. For you to wonder and ask if the baby has any rights is amazing. You seems to know the rights of everyone, but not the baby? You want to be told? Honestly, i want to be told, i don't know. I don't think it's that amazing that i don't know what these rights are. I never professed to know what the rights of everybody on earth are, If i gave you that impression, then my bad. There is no shame in asking, so pray tell. The rights of the child are those ideas and laws and customs that are designed, or inferred from the prerogative to protect life and to advance humanity. Hence truth is a fundamental right. The child's mind is to be allowed to be free and powerful and wise. And education of course is determined by those who can. Those who are building the city. Lol, just now a crowd from western Kenya has passed me taking their 'white boy' to be circumcised. In Nairobi 2014. There was some resistance from other onlookers, but because the traditionalists could, they proceeded on their mission. Some of my friends said they were too digital for that.
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