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16 % interest rate from stanchart.
Kwanini
#21 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:14:00 PM
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FYI Shylocks should attend mandatory legalese lessons form stanchart lawyers. Though i have enjoyed their products,i learnt to read their terms backwards. I still remember these.... happy borrowing...
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....where payments due are not received by the due date,the bank reserves the right to charge overdue and/ or default interest . The rate of overdue interest shall be 5% p.a above the applicable rate,for the time outstanding.




....in the event of an interest rate change,the Bank reserves the right to change the tenor of a loan&hellip;




....if the applicant repays the loan in full before the agreed loan term,a fee of 5% on the outstanding loan balance will be levied&hellip;




....if the applicant makes any extra payment into the loan account over and above the agreed monthly loan repayments,a fee of 5% will be levied on the amount overpaid&hellip;




....the applicant undertakes and accepts to pay the insurance premiums stipulated by the bank from time to time&hellip;
....the bank reserves the right to change the base lending rate from time to time&hellip;
....interest will be charged on ALL amounts owed&hellip;
Applicant agrees to fully indenify the bank against all costs and expenses including legal fees,....




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Sasha
#22 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:37:00 PM
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@dijkstra: Exactly! Though it is not 'free' in the literal sense of the word! You will actually pay for it as part of the interest rate element. Remember the loan to be charged an interest rate of 16% is 710K which includes the penalty payment. If you find a bank that will do anything for free, please let us know tuhamie huko! Nothing is free in a bank!

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Robinhood
#23 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:47:00 PM
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Dijk,

mine is variable. I talked to the Stanchart guys who maintained that this is a apecial offer till october and rates will revert to the usual 19.75% after that. I certainly hope they see sense in eventually bringing the rates down for all borrowers.

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mozenrat
#24 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2009 2:00:00 PM
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@enigma...

First and foremost,I did not mean to imply that Stanchart emps are dishonest...As Kwanini has shown below,they are very honest and disclose all requirements upfront BEFORE giving you the money... The only beef I have with them is that they are very slow at communicating any changes to their terms midstream through a term loan..

Secondly,the computations are as follows.... Assuming you borrow 200,000 shillings from Stanchart at 16% for 2 years on a reducing balance. Total interest comes to Kshs. 35,022.88. The insurance is per year,therefore,0.6% * 200,000 = Kshs. 1,200. The processing fee is 3%*200,000 = Kshs. 6,000. Total dues to the bank,therefore,= 35,022.88 + 1,200 + 6,000 = Kshs. 42,222.88.

If you now work backwards from the total dues you find that this is equivalent to borrowing 200,000 at approximately 19.112% on a reducing balance which gives you total interest of Kshs. 42,222.63. My earlier computations were therefore only slightly off the mark...
Mkimwa
#25 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:01:00 PM
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@ Kwanini..

Thanks for highlighting those terms.

In my previous employment,our lawyers were asked to draft a contract that we would be using for our clients. They did so. When one of the lawyers wanted our services,when presented the contract,he declined to sign the contract.

The terms of the loan are always drafted to be changeable by the bank.. the bank is in control.. always.. they can vary everything,from interest rate,to period of repayment to what constitutes a default..

And that is my beef with these bank loans.. why have the contact in the first place,if everything is variable at the will and whims of the bank,except the principal? And that early repayment thing is just a hoax honestly.

Anyway,cant beat them join them.. SACCO the way to go.
Outvestor
#26 Posted : Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:01:00 PM
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Something crossed my mind upon hearing about the reduction. How can someone who's already servicing a SCB loan (attracting the older 19+% interest) and already eligible for a top-up,make good use of this.

Is there a way,say U take another loan on these new terms,to offset the older debt and effectively throw urself into the new interest rate plan? I'm sure the SCB folks have done their computations and may be waiting with a hidden biig club somewhere.

Gosh....those disclaimers have killed the fun.... but I digress.


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zamali
#27 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:55:00 AM
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@ Outvestor,first I go to admit I like your name!

The conditions for the bank loan am servicing are killing me slowly (in thought). I cringe every time I think of them hiking interest rates. But I plan to take a sacco loan come January next year. Will use this to offset the bank loan so that I only deal with the less greedy SACCO.




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Kamaa
#28 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:09:00 AM
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@ mozenrat

correction,the insurance charge is computed on gross loan and added back to loan before the loan is amortized...

i.e,gross loan of 200,000/- and insurance of 0.6%,0.6%*200,000=1,200/-

thus,total loan to be amortized will be 201,200/- at the prevailing rate of 16% for two years...

total interest will be 35,233.07 and the processing/negotiation fees will be 3%*200,000/- = 6,000/-.



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Mainat
#29 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:33:00 AM
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16% is good? No wonder u can't get a banking licence in Kenya. There is a gap in the market. A huge gap. Anybody else interested in starting a microcreditor?

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mozenrat
#30 Posted : Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:54:00 AM
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@Kamaa...

I disagree,I borrowed some 250K from them when their interest rate was 18%. I was paying back exactly 12,481.06 per month. So,I have to assume the amortization is done ex-insurance. They actually deducted the insurance and processing fee from a balance that was in my account.

Which means that if what you say is true they either cheated me by making me give up 1,200 upfront or you by forcing you to pay interest on the 1,200 you had no intention of borrowing. With your computations the effective rate is 18.7% for a total payment of Kshs.41,233.92 in interest and other charges.
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