wazua Sat, Jan 11, 2025
Welcome Guest Search | Active Topics | Log In | Register

15 Pages<1234>»
KenGen’s Kes 141 Billion Rights Offer to Quadruple Shares in Issue
murchr
#21 Posted : Friday, January 03, 2014 6:48:02 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 2/26/2012
Posts: 15,980
Sold half of mine when they decided to issue rights but will be back during and after they are issued. Aguy dont compare this one to KQ...No. Hii ndio pesa if you think longterm
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
.
the deal
#22 Posted : Friday, January 03, 2014 10:04:11 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/25/2009
Posts: 4,534
Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
What a ride from Ksh7.50 to Ksh17-17.30...my biggest gainer of 2013...the dividends were sweet too..at Ksh7.50 I took it in as a Contrarian play...realised my gain...made my money...the rest is history....I dont see a Ksh17.50 in the next 2-3 years...let it blood let! Greed and returns go hand in hand.
Aguytrying
#23 Posted : Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:07:39 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
the deal wrote:
What a ride from Ksh7.50 to Ksh17-17.30...my biggest gainer of 2013...the dividends were sweet too..at Ksh7.50 I took it in as a Contrarian play...realised my gain...made my money...the rest is history....I dont see a Ksh17.50 in the next 2-3 years...let it blood let! Greed and returns go hand in hand.


wow. you bought at the low and sold at the high. really? unless you tell us; im selling today when its at 17.00 we cant believe you. i remember you bought low, but selling?? but maybe you have a powerful crystal ball
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
the deal
#24 Posted : Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:43:27 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/25/2009
Posts: 4,534
Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
Aguytrying wrote:
the deal wrote:
What a ride from Ksh7.50 to Ksh17-17.30...my biggest gainer of 2013...the dividends were sweet too..at Ksh7.50 I took it in as a Contrarian play...realised my gain...made my money...the rest is history....I dont see a Ksh17.50 in the next 2-3 years...let it blood let! Greed and returns go hand in hand.


wow. you bought at the low and sold at the high. really? unless you tell us; im selling today when its at 17.00 we cant believe you. i remember you bought low, but selling?? but maybe you have a powerful crystal ball

I hope this makes sense https://m.facebook.com/C...a/posts/595717683815956 between why will I post something false here? What will be the aim?
Ericsson
#25 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 11:48:21 AM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,702
Location: NAIROBI
The much anticipated rights issue might not be held this year.
The company has to wait for go-ahead from GOK/Treasury before proceeding.
GOK is also now cash strapped/broke so they will have to wait for GOK to get the money needed for defending their stake.
Similar fate that has befallen NBK and Uchumi where GOK have significant stakes.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Aguytrying
#26 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 12:25:35 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
the deal wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
the deal wrote:
What a ride from Ksh7.50 to Ksh17-17.30...my biggest gainer of 2013...the dividends were sweet too..at Ksh7.50 I took it in as a Contrarian play...realised my gain...made my money...the rest is history....I dont see a Ksh17.50 in the next 2-3 years...let it blood let! Greed and returns go hand in hand.


wow. you bought at the low and sold at the high. really? unless you tell us; im selling today when its at 17.00 we cant believe you. i remember you bought low, but selling?? but maybe you have a powerful crystal ball

I hope this makes sense https://m.facebook.com/C...a/posts/595717683815956 between why will I post something false here? What will be the aim?


Well done! I have confirmed you actually sold at that date. I would have remembered if you posted the sell here as i boarded kengen those days too.
You and Cde are the true contrarians here, although he is more daring read NBK, MUMIAS.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
mlennyma
#27 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 1:10:00 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,183
Location: nairobi
The person who hanged on after ipo at 11.90 is just celebrating afew penny's...long term investment can at times be disastrous....and many see kengen a long term stock,may be longterm after we are dead.
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
mkonomtupu
#28 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 1:38:41 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 2/10/2010
Posts: 1,001
Location: River Road
while everyone is running away i'm back accumulating kengen. Mr. Market can be quite irrational. Kengen will in 2014 increase power generation capacity by a quarter once Olkaria IV is complete. The higher electricity tariffs are now in operation. Kengen will enjoy tax credits from the new power plants in rural areas. The demand for electricity went up 9%.
Ericsson
#29 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:19:07 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,702
Location: NAIROBI
Olkaria IV 140 MW;contractor has been told to hasten the work so that 140MW is availed by March and the other 140MW from Olkaria I extension by June.
That brings a total of 280MW additional capacity by KENGEN this year
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
mlennyma
#30 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:39:51 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,183
Location: nairobi
Just accumulate the shares you can takeup all additional shares should the dilution come
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
mlennyma
#31 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:42:31 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,183
Location: nairobi
I will buy kengen after the rights crushes the price
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
mlennyma
#32 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:44:42 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,183
Location: nairobi
I will buy kengen after the rights crushes the price,however if that rights plan is halted it will be a quick kill to 18bob
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Aguytrying
#33 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:46:08 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
mkonomtupu wrote:
while everyone is running away i'm back accumulating kengen. Mr. Market can be quite irrational. Kengen will in 2014 increase power generation capacity by a quarter once Olkaria IV is complete. The higher electricity tariffs are now in operation. Kengen will enjoy tax credits from the new power plants in rural areas. The demand for electricity went up 9%.


What about dilution after rights, looks like it will be worse than KQ from the current information.
If GAVA stake was reduced and we get shareholder minded management it would be a good share.
Though to be fair kengen aint that bad like KPLC.
GAVA is crafty the tarrifs were eventually increased after all that noise in early 2013.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Aguytrying
#34 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 2:48:49 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
mlennyma wrote:
I will buy kengen after the rights crushes the price,however if that rights plan is halted it will be a quick kill to 18bob


couldn't put it better
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
mkonomtupu
#35 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 3:08:34 PM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 2/10/2010
Posts: 1,001
Location: River Road
Aguytrying wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
while everyone is running away i'm back accumulating kengen. Mr. Market can be quite irrational. Kengen will in 2014 increase power generation capacity by a quarter once Olkaria IV is complete. The higher electricity tariffs are now in operation. Kengen will enjoy tax credits from the new power plants in rural areas. The demand for electricity went up 9%.


What about dilution after rights, looks like it will be worse than KQ from the current information.
If GAVA stake was reduced and we get shareholder minded management it would be a good share.
Though to be fair kengen aint that bad like KPLC.
GAVA is crafty the tarrifs were eventually increased after all that noise in early 2013.


The rights will be about 30 billion with GoK taking up 70%. So the rest of the shareholders will be doing 9 billion. Now the Energy ministry budget allocation for current financial year is about 78.5 with 76.4 billion set aside for increasing electricity generation capacity. That means GoK may be thinking of increasing its stake in Kengen which is a good thing given the capital intensive nature of kengen projects. So you may end up with a very small float of shares plus an improved performance with new power plants and higher tariffs which will deal with the dilution.

It's all about knowing when to hold and knowing when to fold
VituVingiSana
#36 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 3:30:01 PM
Rank: Chief


Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,121
Location: Nairobi
I like the long-term view but it will be a steady performer... Do not expect EPS to double annually
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Aguytrying
#37 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:51:21 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 7/11/2010
Posts: 5,040
mkonomtupu wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
while everyone is running away i'm back accumulating kengen. Mr. Market can be quite irrational. Kengen will in 2014 increase power generation capacity by a quarter once Olkaria IV is complete. The higher electricity tariffs are now in operation. Kengen will enjoy tax credits from the new power plants in rural areas. The demand for electricity went up 9%.


What about dilution after rights, looks like it will be worse than KQ from the current information.
If GAVA stake was reduced and we get shareholder minded management it would be a good share.
Though to be fair kengen aint that bad like KPLC.
GAVA is crafty the tarrifs were eventually increased after all that noise in early 2013.


The rights will be about 30 billion with GoK taking up 70%. So the rest of the shareholders will be doing 9 billion. Now the Energy ministry budget allocation for current financial year is about 78.5 with 76.4 billion set aside for increasing electricity generation capacity. That means GoK may be thinking of increasing its stake in Kengen which is a good thing given the capital intensive nature of kengen projects. So you may end up with a very small float of shares plus an improved performance with new power plants and higher tariffs which will deal with the dilution.

It's all about knowing when to hold and knowing when to fold


You make a good point. Lets see their proposal, This is better than KPLC at the moment. If rights are reasonable I can profit from them.
At least the capital invested goes into increasing capacity=earnings. Unlike KPLC where it goes into "modernising the ageing grid" which really doesn't have as much bang for the buck.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
guru267
#38 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 4:58:35 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 1/21/2010
Posts: 6,675
Location: Nairobi
Rights price was supposed to be about 13.6... At this rate they may have to reduce the amount they require or at create even more shares!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
the deal
#39 Posted : Wednesday, January 08, 2014 8:20:12 PM
Rank: Elder


Joined: 9/25/2009
Posts: 4,534
Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
Long term? Do you guys listen to what the Energy Minister says...

Look at this...KenGen borrows Billions to build thermal plants...then borrows again to build Geothermal plants...now when Geothermal plants come online...MoE wants the thermal plants switched off in the bid of reducing power costs...why not look for new markets for this old thermal power so that atleast KenGen continues to earn some revenues since they would still continue paying interest on the debt they incurred to build this plants....if not GoK should pay for this idle capacity!

So is KenGen charity or what?

As long as GoK retains 70% or majority control this company is going nowhere!

There is too much politics in the energy sector I dont think General Electric is ready for such kind issues.

Its better for GE to invest directly in the sector & get their own PPA with KPLC.

The current KenGen-KPLC PPA is charity.
mkonomtupu
#40 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:16:08 AM
Rank: Veteran


Joined: 2/10/2010
Posts: 1,001
Location: River Road
mkonomtupu wrote:
while everyone is running away i'm back accumulating kengen. Mr. Market can be quite irrational. Kengen will in 2014 increase power generation capacity by a quarter once Olkaria IV is complete. The higher electricity tariffs are now in operation. Kengen will enjoy tax credits from the new power plants in rural areas. The demand for electricity went up 9%.



Dealing with Mr. Market can be quite fun and exciting. If i was to cash out that's already 100k
Users browsing this topic
Guest (2)
15 Pages<1234>»
Forum Jump  
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.

Copyright © 2025 Wazua.co.ke. All Rights Reserved.