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I have seen this video on youtube and am shocked that some countries still allow this macabre sport of killing endangered species. The guy boasts that "this was a mix bag hunt for Elephant, Leopard, Rhino, Crocodile, Kudu, Warthog, Klipspringer, Bushbuck, Impala, Cape Buffalo, Hippo, Zebra and other plains game".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Some of the photo grabs from the video...  
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Hunting for sport or food is academically part of wildlife management. Nevertheless, questions have been and still are being asked about it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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I am yet to get to that point where I 'feeeeeel' for 'some' wild animals.
I don't like people who kill indiscriminately either,makes me wonder what satisfaction they derive from killing the wild.
ok if you really wanna kill a wild thing, why not go for hyenas,snakes,gorillas or caterpillars and spare the less nauseating ones to watch?
Climb Everest if you want a thrill.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:Hunting for sport or food is academically part of wildlife management. Nevertheless, questions have been and still are being asked about it. I beg to differ. Ecology naturally balances itself, as it has done for centuries. And when it is skewed, there are better ways to control overrun populations of animals, like introducing predators.... rather than letting some warped human beings with guns loose on them. There is something wrong with killing for pleasure,..it is cruel...those who have little regard for animal life also often have little regard for human life. Legal hunting is just another manifestation of greed for money.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Muriel wrote:Hunting for sport or food is academically part of wildlife management. Nevertheless, questions have been and still are being asked about it. In nature, predators go for the weaker, sick, less fit members of the population thus increasing the overall fitness of the population. Trophy hunters on the other hand are most likely to go for the dominant/fittest members eg biggest jumbo, dominant buffalo, lion with biggest mane etc of that pop thus reducing it's overall fitness, and also disrupting the group's social structure. Thus hunting as a wildlife management option is detrimental to population genetics and conservation.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Those are the valid concerns raised about hunting as a management option.
Its all about money paid for fees and trophies by the hunters. It is said its more financially rewarding to the ranch than mere watching.
thats partly how they managed to accumulate all those elephant tusks in zimbabwe, i think, asides natural attrition and they wanted to open the market to implement this management style it to its conclusion.
Thanks to spirited efforts by kws ivory and trophies trade wasnt allowed.
Yet.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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kysse wrote:I am yet to get to that point where I 'feeeeeel' for 'some' wild animals.
I don't like people who kill indiscriminately either,makes me wonder what satisfaction they derive from killing the wild.
ok if you really wanna kill a wild thing, why not go for hyenas,snakes,gorillas or caterpillars and spare the less nauseating ones to watch?
Climb Everest if you want a thrill.
Tree hugging isnt such a wierd thing. I am a part time tree hugger myself.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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@Muriel,The late Maathai would have been proud of you.
That's unique.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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kysse wrote:@Muriel,The late Maathai would have been proud of you.
That's unique.
blush blush. Had we met we could have collided over eucalyptus but that is neither here nor anywhere. anyone with a house plant is a potential tree hugger.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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jaggernaut wrote:Muriel wrote:Hunting for sport or food is academically part of wildlife management. Nevertheless, questions have been and still are being asked about it. In nature, predators go for the weaker, sick, less fit members of the population thus increasing the overall fitness of the population. Trophy hunters on the other hand are most likely to go for the dominant/fittest members eg biggest jumbo, dominant buffalo, lion with biggest mane etc of that pop thus reducing it's overall fitness, and also disrupting the group's social structure. Thus hunting as a wildlife management option is detrimental to population genetics and conservation. Hmm, interesting perspective. Quite convincing too. I have to admit that I am having problems forming a well-reasoned opinion on this matter though. Where is the problem? Killing wild animals in general or killing them for fun? Is it okay to kill them for food, for instance? We do that to domestic animals all the time, don't we? And in some ways killing for food is a lot like killing for fun. It is not inconceivable that what pleasure one hunter derives from hanging a lion's head in his hallway is comparable to the pleasure another hunter experiences by eating buffalo. Is one hunter more evil than the other? Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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Isn't it ironical that we are spending millions conserving the 'endangered' rhino and elephant while down in SA and Zimbabwe hunters are having a field day?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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jaggernaut wrote:Isn't it ironical that we are spending millions conserving the 'endangered' rhino and elephant while down in SA and Zimbabwe hunters are having a field day? yes its very ironical. And awkward too. They will tell you not to criticize them for the tremendous success of their 'superior' wildlife management skills. And add what Seppuku is saying and we place ourselves nicely between a rock and a hard place and our mouths are effectively zipped. This is when the tree huggers can swoop in to save the day. Yes! being a vegetarian tree hugger puts one on a high pedestal, kind of a legitimate 'holier than thou' of sorts. If only they were not so hopelessly outnumbered!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/20/2009 Posts: 1,402
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kysse wrote:I am yet to get to that point where I 'feeeeeel' for 'some' wild animals.
I don't like people who kill indiscriminately either,makes me wonder what satisfaction they derive from killing the wild.
ok if you really wanna kill a wild thing, why not go for hyenas,snakes,gorillas or caterpillars and spare the less nauseating ones to watch?
Climb Everest if you want a thrill.
Am on the side of natural conservation. Except for spiders, roaches, rats and snakes.........
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