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Juba...coup attempt in South Sudan?
Tokyo
#101 Posted : Sunday, December 22, 2013 10:53:50 PM
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holycow wrote:


Democracy means Him as president.
work to prosper
jaggernaut
#102 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 1:17:16 AM
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"Looting of humanitarian compounds has been reported in
Jonglei (Akobo and Bor) and Unity. Several U.N. and NGO
compounds in Bor town have reportedly been completely
looted, including vehicles stolen," the U.N. Office for the
Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs said in a report.

The South Sudan government said on its Twitter account it
was no longer in control of Bentiu, the capital of Unity State.
"Bentiu is not currently in our hands. It is in the hands of a
commander who has declared support for Machar," it said.
Information Minister Michael Makuei said on Saturday an
army divisional commander in Unity State, John Koang, had
defected and joined rebel leader and former Vice President
Riek Machar, who had named him the governor of the state.
kripp
#103 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 7:03:05 AM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
Why isn't anyone calling it as it is. S.sudan as a country is not viable. The people have absolutely no sense of values or the minimum acceptable human behaviour to hold their nation together. Wazungus might be saying the mind of an African is not fully developed but for our dinka and nuer brothers, am afraid the brain is yet to form leave alone develop.

Anyone who has been to south Sudan knows God was extremely generous to their land but balanced it out by denying them brains. They cannot grasp the concept of law and order. Kenyan corporates operating there have a budget for bribing these mad men.
A civil matter is settled by guns and throwing you behind bars. If you demand money from a dinka who owes you, he sends an army batallion to silence you. Our company has spent crazy amounts of money to secure the release of our senior managers arrested on wild allegations.
One of the Kenyan banks helped them pay the soldiers when their oil cash dried. They are yet to pay back and they don't believe they owe the bank any money. Its in their own country after all.

A friend tried commercial farming by leasing land. When the venture started looking promising, the owner of the land called in the police to chase away the guy.
The list is endless.
One can only wish Kenya was a military powerhouse. The only solution for south Sudan is for a stronger country to invade it a la Iraq and Kuwait and run it like a colony for 100 years.



This is a load of xenophobic bull crap!

Do you realize every word you have written above can, and has been said, about a country called Kenya?

Should the Bazungu or Waarabu take over our country too and run it for 100 years?

It is by such mono dimensional 'advise' that human disasters are crafted. Thank god you are in business, not leadership




Exactly - before throwing stones and adopting a holier than thou attitude, remember how we showed our true colours in 2007/8 and still doing so in Northern Kenya LINK
KulaRaha
#104 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 7:46:56 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
holycow wrote:


Democracy means Him as president.


Typical African ruler.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
jaggernaut
#105 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 8:35:06 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
holycow wrote:


Democracy means Him as president.


Typical African ruler.

NO MACHAR NO PEACE!
maka
#106 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 8:35:39 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
holycow wrote:


Democracy means Him as president.


Typical African ruler.


The problem is with the people who accept to do his dirty work...
possunt quia posse videntur
kingfisher
#107 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 10:43:35 AM
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Riek Machar has been south Sudan's biggest enemy...
When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
madollar
#108 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 11:45:25 AM
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kingfisher wrote:
Riek Machar has been south Sudan's biggest enemy...

Kiir should go for the nusu mkate solution otherwise this could turnout to be a prolonged conflict..
masukuma
#109 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 12:08:50 PM
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maka wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
holycow wrote:


Democracy means Him as president.


Typical African ruler.


The problem is with the people who accept to do his dirty work...

this is really bad!! don't people realize that 'there is no bad peace and no good war'?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
KulaRaha
#110 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 12:13:50 PM
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kingfisher wrote:
Riek Machar has been south Sudan's biggest enemy...


Really? I hear Kiir has major issues with intelligence, common sense etc.
Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
Mukiri
#111 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 8:47:57 PM
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kingfisher wrote:
Riek Machar has been south Sudan's biggest enemy...

I've worked for a while in South Sudan and know what tribes feel for each other. There its 'me-and-my-people'. Only power sharing can help this country, else they'll all kill each other... and anyone who stands in their way.

Proverbs 19:21
omhangla
#112 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 10:04:44 PM
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some one has counted over 200 fuel guzzlers, range rovers and vx Along eldoret- Nairobi route, all with SS plates. seems the rich are running to Nairobi for refuge while the poor are left to fight among themselves
McReggae
#113 Posted : Monday, December 23, 2013 11:56:56 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
kingfisher wrote:
Riek Machar has been south Sudan's biggest enemy...


Really? I hear Kiir has major issues with intelligence, common sense etc.


There is a reason fellows here on wazua would like to take Kiir's side not knowing if there is consideration was to be the determinant to their decision then Kiir would be the one to hate.......people wanna analyze SS with Kenyan goggles, SMH!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
simonkabz
#114 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:05:06 AM
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McReggae wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
kingfisher wrote:
Riek Machar has been south Sudan's biggest enemy...


Really? I hear Kiir has major issues with intelligence, common sense etc.


There is a reason fellows here on wazua would like to take Kiir's side not knowing if there is consideration was to be the determinant to their decision then Kiir would be the one to hate.......people wanna analyze SS with Kenyan goggles, SMH!!!!


So, Machar, the so called Intelligent one, is right to lead his own country to war? This sounds like 2007 in Kenya. "No me, no peace. It will only be democracy if I win". f*** some Africans!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Tokyo
#115 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:07:13 AM
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JUBA, South Sudan — They were an unlikely pair to lead the world’s newest nation: from different tribal groups and different regions, having taken vastly different paths to power. President Salva Kiir, a field commander with little formal education, was known for his black ­cowboy hat. His vice president, Riek Machar, had earned a doctorate in Britain and preferred Western suits. The men are at the center of what could be the unraveling of this fragile African country into full-blown civil war, 2 1/2 years after it became an independent nation backed by USrael and its allies. In July, Kiir fired Machar, weary of his ambition and stinging criticism, and purged other political rivals from his cabinet as well. A week ago, after a faction of presidential guard soldiers loyal to Machar clashed with a group loyal to Kiir, the president publicly accused his former deputy of attempting to overthrow the government. Since then, the fighting has spread, leaving hundreds of soldiers and civilians dead. Nearly 40,000 people, South Sudanese and foreigners, have taken refuge at UN bases. By Sunday, soldiers who claim allegiance to Machar controlled the remote town of Bor and several other areas, reportedly including the vital oil-producing state of Unity. The State Dept is urging all US citizens to leave the country immediately and said it has evacuated 380 USAians and 300 other foreign nationals on charter and military flights. Three US aircraft seeking to rescue USAians from Bor were fired upon Saturday, injuring four US servicemen. Obama told congress crirrurs in a letter that he is prepared to take further action to protect US citizens and the embassy in Juba. Analysts and diplomats say they are not convinced that Machar was attempting a coup. Instead, they say, last week’s fighting was probably triggered by long-simmering ethnic and political tensions within the government and the military. But now the fighting appears to have become a move to overthrow the government, or at least significantly weaken its ability to rule large portions of the country. Eric Reeves, an analyst on South Sudan and a professor at Smith College in Massachusetts, said:

Kiir and Machar are very different men, with very different kinds of political instincts, and a very different standing with both the body politic of Sudan and, until recently, with the army. Given the ethnic diversity within the army, the events of the last days were, if not inevitable, all too likely. Kiir is honest but has been overwhelmed by the tasks of the presidenc,y in a new country that has seen no development efforts for decades. Kiir may resent Machar’s formal education and political glibness.
Facts

The men’s rivalry reflects the turbulent path South Sudan has taken to independence, as well as the country’s uncertain political and economic future. Its people have endured one of Africa’s ­longest civil wars. Violent infighting split the rebel Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM) in the 1990s. Since independence in 2011, political, ethnic and tribal rifts, along with growing corruption, have hindered the development of a unified national identity. Douglas Johnson, author of The Root Causes of Sudan’s Civil Wars, said:

What we are seeing in South Sudan is the convergence of two parallel conflicts that have been developing over time. One is the emergence of an internal opposition within the political party of the SPLM. The other growing conflict is within the army.

Machar has made it clear that he wants Kiir ousted. He told the French broadcaster RFI on Thursday, speaking from an undisclosed location:

He must go, because he can no longer maintain the unity of the people. Especially when he kills people like flies and tries to touch off conflicts on an ethnic basis.

The rivalry between Kiir and Machar stretches back more than two decades. Kiir is from the Dinka, South Sudan’s largest tribal group, while Machar is from the Nuer, the second-largest. They rose through the ranks of the SPLM and its armed wing in very different ways. Kiir, who is 62 or 63, was a guerrilla commander in the 1960s in Sudan’s first civil war. As part of a 1972 peace pact, he was absorbed into Sudan’s national army, reaching the rank of major. In 1983, Kiir joined a second rebellion and helped found the Sudan People’s Liberation Army (SPLA), which fought the Khartoum government for more than two decades. For much of his rebel life, Kiir worked in the shadow of John Garang, a charismatic leader and fellow Dinka who died in a 2005 helicopter crash shortly after becoming first vice president of Sudan and months after helping negotiate a peace deal to end the second civil war. Kiir became the SPLM’s leader and assumed the post of first vice president. Known for his blunt speech, Kiir proved to be a deft political operator. He ensured that Khartoum held up its end of the peace deal, which paved the way for South Sudan’s independence. While other SPLM leaders, including Garang, sought greater rights for southerners in a united Sudan, Kiir had always wanted independence. Those who know Kiir describe him as humble, honest and meticulous. Some say he is a reluctant leader, forced into his role. They disagree with Machar’s statements that he is autocratic. Luka Biong Deng Kuol, a South Sudan expert and a fellow at Harvard University’s Carr Center for Human Rights Policy, said:

He is a consensus-builder. I did not see in him a dictatorial tendency. He is not so keen on being in power.

Machar, 61, was a college student at the end of Sudan’s first civil war, one of a small number of South Sudanese allowed to attend the University of Khartoum. He studied engineering, and continued his education in Scotland and later in Britain, earning a doctorate in strategic planning in 1984. It was then that he joined the SPLM and SPLA, entering at a high rank because of his education. Machar’s marriage to British aid worker Emma McCune and their life in war-ravaged southern Sudan became the subject of a book titled “Emma’s War.” In 1993, at age 28, McCune was killed in a car crash. Reeves said:

Machar split from Garang and Kiir in 1991, creating a breakaway faction of the SPLM that drew support from some ethnic Nuer groups. Later that year, he was blamed for a massacre in Bor, where Nuer soldiers loyal to him killed hundreds of ethnic Dinka. Over the next several years, Machar collaborated with the Khartoum government, which viewed him as a useful tool to weaken Garang, Kiir and the SPLM. He signed a peace accord in 1997, alienating him from Kiir and the rest of the SPLM leadership. None of this is forgotten by anyone. In 2002, Machar switched sides again, formally mending fences with Garang and rejoining the SPLM. When Garang died, Kiir anointed Machar vice president, largely to appease ethnic Nuers. Machar’s open criticism of Kiir grew louder in the first half of 2013, resulting in his sacking last summer. Two weeks ago, Machar and others purged by Kiir released a statement accusing him of dictatorial tendencies and of leading the SPLM and the country toward the abyss. Machar has always been overly ambitious and willing to see lives lost as he takes great risks on his own behalf. In that sense, what we are seeing now is entirely in character. We don’t need to ask whether it was a coup.
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simonkabz
#116 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:18:17 AM
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On Saturday, unidentified
gunmen shot at three CV-22
Osprey tiltrotor aircraft
when approaching the rebel-
held city of Bor, wounding
four US servicemembers
and forcing the military
aircraft to abort a mission
to evacuate Americans and
instead head toward
Uganda.


Obama has called for an
end to the violence, warning
the country was on the
"precipice" of civil war and
that any military coup would
trigger an end to diplomatic
and economic support from
Washington and its allies.

Machar has always been overly ambitious and willing to see lives lost as he takes great risks on his own behalf. In that sense, what we are
seeing now is entirely in
character. We don’t need to
ask whether it was a coup.


If not careful, this Machar fellow will find himself in hot soup, to my great pleasure. Killing people for power is abominable, a fledging state has relapsed back to the sewer, thanks to another mad african who claims birthright to the top seat...
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
murchr
#117 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 6:30:28 AM
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The African Headlines oflate







Plus South Sudan...Even Bashir is concerned http://www.the-star.co.k...outh-sudan-africa-unrest
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kysse
#118 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 10:05:53 AM
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This toddler country is going to the dogs,

It's now become Mass ethnic killings.
Loyal government soldiers,-The Dinka plus Innocent Civilians being targeted Rwanda style.

Poor S. Sudan.Who will save you if you slaughter your own.Pray
maka
#119 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 10:14:29 AM
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kysse wrote:
This toddler country is going to the dogs,

It's now become Mass ethnic killings.
Loyal government soldiers,-The Dinka plus Innocent Civilians being targeted Rwanda style.

Poor S. Sudan.Who will save you if you slaughter your own.Pray


So sad...
possunt quia posse videntur
alma
#120 Posted : Tuesday, December 24, 2013 10:16:27 AM
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maka wrote:
kysse wrote:
This toddler country is going to the dogs,

It's now become Mass ethnic killings.
Loyal government soldiers,-The Dinka plus Innocent Civilians being targeted Rwanda style.

Poor S. Sudan.Who will save you if you slaughter your own.Pray


So sad...


where is AU?
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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