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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/25/2012 Posts: 1,624 Location: Langley
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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symbols wrote:Depends on the location.If the vendor has ample space a fruit stand might supplement his income.If he has access to electricity natural fresh juices can be blended on the spot.This is a market not fully explored though the awareness and demand for healthy products is up.
When it comes to newspapers and changes in media uptake Gerd Leonhard is an individual who might be of interest.Even the e-paper might eventually be challenged by the same platform they're utilizing.A new type of newspaper that is compiled on the go might arise i.e. you buy the articles from the journalists you want. I can see that....The same way one can buy singles on I-Tunes... "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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murchr wrote:symbols wrote:Depends on the location.If the vendor has ample space a fruit stand might supplement his income.If he has access to electricity natural fresh juices can be blended on the spot.This is a market not fully explored though the awareness and demand for healthy products is up.
When it comes to newspapers and changes in media uptake Gerd Leonhard is an individual who might be of interest.Even the e-paper might eventually be challenged by the same platform they're utilizing.A new type of newspaper that is compiled on the go might arise i.e. you buy the articles from the journalists you want. I can see that....The same way one can buy singles on I-Tunes... For pricing purposes I'd say more of a playlist.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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symbols wrote:murchr wrote:symbols wrote:Depends on the location.If the vendor has ample space a fruit stand might supplement his income.If he has access to electricity natural fresh juices can be blended on the spot.This is a market not fully explored though the awareness and demand for healthy products is up.
When it comes to newspapers and changes in media uptake Gerd Leonhard is an individual who might be of interest.Even the e-paper might eventually be challenged by the same platform they're utilizing.A new type of newspaper that is compiled on the go might arise i.e. you buy the articles from the journalists you want. I can see that....The same way one can buy singles on I-Tunes... For pricing purposes I'd say more of a playlist. Thinking outside the box... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,549 Location: nairobi
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FRM2011 wrote:My newspaper vendor is a worried and confused man. I have faithfully been buying my paper from him for the last five years. Until one week ago.
Safaricom sent me a message to download an app that delivers the entire newspaper as it appears in print to my tablet every morning. Its much cheaper than the print version, plus the added advantage of having the archived copy for future reference. Now I am afraid my long running relationship with my vendor is coming to an end.
I haven't gotten a chance to slow down and explain to the guy about the e-paper. I don't know how many more customers he has lost. But what happens when you find yourself standing on the wrong side of technological innovation ? Can the printed newspaper survive another 25 years ?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/23/2009 Posts: 13,549 Location: nairobi
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for my masters thesis I did some research on this.. www.naturalbalance.com.mx/handle/123456789/12443
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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Impunity wrote:madollar wrote:washiku wrote:madollar wrote:Lolest! wrote:I thought you subscribe to get that service? Around 60$/4800ksh per year which is a bargain considering if you buy a newpaper daily it comes to around 22000ksh per year.My barber is seriously considering going for the tablet he spends 3500 monthly buying the nation and standard That is interesting...So he will be handing his clients a tab to read through as they wait for their turn? He is thinking of getting two biggest concern is security its very easy for anyone to s lip out with unnoticed Chain it on the waiting chairs! Until 2 chairs mysteriously disappear... Who will take the trouble of teaching the clients 'how to?'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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Data is about 40mb but there are guys who have free wifi everyday. LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/1/2009 Posts: 1,883
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Mastermind wrote:madollar wrote:Lolest! wrote:I thought you subscribe to get that service? Around 60$/4800ksh per year which is a bargain considering if you buy a newpaper daily it comes to around 22000ksh per year.My barber is seriously considering going for the tablet he spends 3500 monthly buying the nation and standard Its not a bargain. The difference might be less than 1k. You have to download the paper daily. Whats the size of the data? Analogue newspapers can be sold at the end of the year you cant sell digital paper. just about anyone with access to a tablet or smart phone has access to free internet at work, coffee house or pub. then there are those you pay a flat rate fee for at home like zuku etc. data cost should not factor in this at all. personally i do not see why i should buy the e-paper thing when i can the same news from the publication's app or on their website.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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The digital world will require a different approach to money and payments. I expect barter trade and free access to resources to increase under a communalist system.
Corporations will not be about profit, but market and activity maximization.
Like, everyone will be a reporter, even street lights will be reporters, how will all these reporters be paid? Specialization and 8 hour work systems will not hold, so the newspaper vendor of today will have multiple jobs then as a reporter, security officer, courier, coach, anything he/she wants, and gains will be tremendous.
Commercial banks will deal more with data than money. . .
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Like someone said, only when the generation born with the internet joins in economy building will the print newspaper become near extinct.
It is an issue with many facets. I have a tablet, but have no use for the paper or digital format edition. nation.co.ke already publishes sufficient local news for free. Whatever extra is in the print edition I have no use for. I havent bought a paper in years. For international news, I go to the big hitters direct..BBC, The Guardian, CNN, The Mail for fluff, Time and The Economist for the deep stuff. The digital Nation will be a moderate success in the beginning, but its the right step.
But for ecommerce and online consumption to really take off, we need to do the bricks and mortar first. Supply electricity to more than 70% of the population. Make data very cheap. ..the sort of cheap which means you can do hours browsing and rich multimedia without worrying that you have gobbled half the salary in one go and finally. .. cheap, very light and long battery life, long life span tablets. Ubiquity.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 5/9/2007 Posts: 13,095
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This discussion reminds me of many years back when the discussion was how many people will lose jobs due to arrival of computers.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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washiku wrote:This discussion reminds me of many years back when the discussion was how many people will lose jobs due to arrival of computers.  ...this I remember, and around the same time KRA introduced the Personal Identification Number. There was a small furore with some naive civil servants and some other jobbing people when some clergymen started spreading word that this was "the number of the beast".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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I think we are comparing apples and oranges Nation digital is no different from the newspaper. Their online version is dumbed down. It can't be competing against itself. It's just opening up new avenues to receive their news. The Financial Times didn't go down because of the internet. They went down because they couldn't compete with the new bloggers who had more information. Having a printed paper that depended on tech savvy readers didn't make economic sense especially when their main readers were mainly online even at work and reading the latest blogs from the best financial minds in real time. Media organisations should be more worried of failing to give us information. It is cheaper for those without the capital to start a blog and get ahead of the main papers. See the example of ghafla and kenyan post. The time is coming when consumers in Kenya will be demanding the news they want not the news the editors in media houses want to give. To prove that print paper will still exist, few worldwide media companies have moved to 100% online. Yet their populations are more tech savvy. In fact, as the FT was making loses, online magazines such as the Onion were making more money in their print business. They had interesting news to give whether online or offline. After a consumer gets used to a new gadget eg the new safcom app. they will still insist on good news stories. Therefore, the biggest challenge to the Nation and the Standard is not technology, but their archaic editorial practices, bad journalism, paid "news", and shingdinging with the who's who while leaving the holloi polloi in the thirst for Robert Alais of this world. I still read Hillary Ngweno's magazine, even if it smells like a donkey peed on it. News print isn't dying soon. Ask the newspaper vendors in New York. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma wrote:I think we are comparing apples and oranges
Nation digital is no different from the newspaper. Their online version is dumbed down. It can't be competing against itself. It's just opening up new avenues to receive their news.
The Financial Times didn't go down because of the internet. They went down because they couldn't compete with the new bloggers who had more information. Having a printed paper that depended on tech savvy readers didn't make economic sense especially when their main readers were mainly online even at work and reading the latest blogs from the best financial minds in real time.
Media organisations should be more worried of failing to give us information. It is cheaper for those without the capital to start a blog and get ahead of the main papers. See the example of ghafla and kenyan post.
The time is coming when consumers in Kenya will be demanding the news they want not the news the editors in media houses want to give.
To prove that print paper will still exist, few worldwide media companies have moved to 100% online. Yet their populations are more tech savvy. In fact, as the FT was making loses, online magazines such as the Onion were making more money in their print business. They had interesting news to give whether online or offline.
After a consumer gets used to a new gadget eg the new safcom app. they will still insist on good news stories.
Therefore, the biggest challenge to the Nation and the Standard is not technology, but their archaic editorial practices, bad journalism, paid "news", and shingdinging with the who's who while leaving the holloi polloi in the thirst for Robert Alais of this world.
I still read Hillary Ngweno's magazine, even if it smells like a donkey peed on it. Who said nation and standard are the subject here? Read again, we are talking of the newspaper vendor and by extension the print paper. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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murchr wrote:alma wrote:I think we are comparing apples and oranges
Nation digital is no different from the newspaper. Their online version is dumbed down. It can't be competing against itself. It's just opening up new avenues to receive their news.
The Financial Times didn't go down because of the internet. They went down because they couldn't compete with the new bloggers who had more information. Having a printed paper that depended on tech savvy readers didn't make economic sense especially when their main readers were mainly online even at work and reading the latest blogs from the best financial minds in real time.
Media organisations should be more worried of failing to give us information. It is cheaper for those without the capital to start a blog and get ahead of the main papers. See the example of ghafla and kenyan post.
The time is coming when consumers in Kenya will be demanding the news they want not the news the editors in media houses want to give.
To prove that print paper will still exist, few worldwide media companies have moved to 100% online. Yet their populations are more tech savvy. In fact, as the FT was making loses, online magazines such as the Onion were making more money in their print business. They had interesting news to give whether online or offline.
After a consumer gets used to a new gadget eg the new safcom app. they will still insist on good news stories.
Therefore, the biggest challenge to the Nation and the Standard is not technology, but their archaic editorial practices, bad journalism, paid "news", and shingdinging with the who's who while leaving the holloi polloi in the thirst for Robert Alais of this world.
I still read Hillary Ngweno's magazine, even if it smells like a donkey peed on it. Who said nation and standard are the subject here? Read again, we are talking of the newspaper vendor and by extension the print paper. Read the last statement. Newspaper vendor isn't going anywhere soon. Not everyone has the venerated ipad. And I know you think you're digital but we are still a third world country. You will get that digital version for a week then get bored and go back to the vendor. So until my kids have never seen print, the industry will still be going strong and the vendor will be just fine. The argument for digital papers can be compared to the argument for all mobile and the death of the desktop. It's a dream and its not happening soon. When I see the exit of the print vendor in the streets of New York, then I will join the digital all the time bandwagon. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma wrote:murchr wrote:alma wrote:I think we are comparing apples and oranges
Nation digital is no different from the newspaper. Their online version is dumbed down. It can't be competing against itself. It's just opening up new avenues to receive their news.
The Financial Times didn't go down because of the internet. They went down because they couldn't compete with the new bloggers who had more information. Having a printed paper that depended on tech savvy readers didn't make economic sense especially when their main readers were mainly online even at work and reading the latest blogs from the best financial minds in real time.
Media organisations should be more worried of failing to give us information. It is cheaper for those without the capital to start a blog and get ahead of the main papers. See the example of ghafla and kenyan post.
The time is coming when consumers in Kenya will be demanding the news they want not the news the editors in media houses want to give.
To prove that print paper will still exist, few worldwide media companies have moved to 100% online. Yet their populations are more tech savvy. In fact, as the FT was making loses, online magazines such as the Onion were making more money in their print business. They had interesting news to give whether online or offline.
After a consumer gets used to a new gadget eg the new safcom app. they will still insist on good news stories.
Therefore, the biggest challenge to the Nation and the Standard is not technology, but their archaic editorial practices, bad journalism, paid "news", and shingdinging with the who's who while leaving the holloi polloi in the thirst for Robert Alais of this world.
I still read Hillary Ngweno's magazine, even if it smells like a donkey peed on it. Who said nation and standard are the subject here? Read again, we are talking of the newspaper vendor and by extension the print paper. Read the last statement. Newspaper vendor isn't going anywhere soon. Not everyone has the venerated ipad. And I know you think you're digital but we are still a third world country. You will get that digital version for a week then get bored and go back to the vendor. So until my kids have never seen print, the industry will still be going strong and the vendor will be just fine. The argument for digital papers can be compared to the argument for all mobile and the death of the desktop. It's a dream and its not happening soon. When I see the exit of the print vendor in the streets of New York, then I will join the digital all the time bandwagon. Not everyone has an ipad but almost everyone who can afford a newspaper has a smartphone. Give it 1 year and you shall see the difference. I am glad my newspaper vendor in South B now has a running taxi business. He must have seen this coming. The print business will be sustained by advertising not your 50/- which is where your vendor gets his cut. Keep watching. And just as a by the way, tablets are expected to surpass laptop and desktop sales by 2015. Again no one can stop an idea who's time has come "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 2,552
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What is the value of information,to who and why?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Who determines what goes where and what happens when? NY times?
I thought Wazua is for investors and serious entrepreneurs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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Why the passion murchr. Kweli you are the one who asked that the paper go ndigital? Your vendor is a good business man, not everyone wants to grow up to become a vendor. What you are forgetting is one thing. The toughest online business is subscriptions. It is the most profitable but the toughest. Trust me, even the guys who have it now free from safcom will dump them the moment they learn about subscription. As for the dispora guys, be honest, didn't your paper have the same version online? How many subscriptions did it get. I know coz I tried it, saw subscription and dumped it. The print business has always been sustained by advertising. That has not changed. Even internet business is sustained by advertising. But for me to subscribe, you have to have something I really want. Print will survive because entrepreneurs will have information that their niche wants. do you read parents magazine online or on print? Can you read a fashion magazine online or on print? Which is the better experience. I say again, the death of print was reported prematurely and highly exaggerated. It is alive and well. What is dying are state controlled media and power brokers who used to sell information. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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