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quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:And what do you do to my mind? I have no idea. I speak plainly. No one has complained of being unable to understand me, not to me anyway. So only I, can say what you do to my mind. You wouldn't therefore take responsibility for what you do to my mind? Perhaps you do nothing but express yourself plainly, the rest is up to me?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Cain is both good and evil. Tell us more about him being 'good'.
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tycho wrote:quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:And what do you do to my mind? I have no idea. I speak plainly. No one has complained of being unable to understand me, not to me anyway. So only I, can say what you do to my mind. You wouldn't therefore take responsibility for what you do to my mind? Perhaps you do nothing but express yourself plainly, the rest is up to me? Hmmmm....you have got a card up your sleeve..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Cain is both good and evil. Tell us more about him being 'good'. If Man is entirely good or entirely evil there's no ethical question, no choice. But Man has ethical choices, therefore Man is neither entirely good or evil. Cain is, and was an instance of Man. Therefore Cain was neither purely evil nor good.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:quicksand wrote:tycho wrote:And what do you do to my mind? I have no idea. I speak plainly. No one has complained of being unable to understand me, not to me anyway. So only I, can say what you do to my mind. You wouldn't therefore take responsibility for what you do to my mind? Perhaps you do nothing but express yourself plainly, the rest is up to me? Hmmmm....you have got a card up your sleeve.. Probably cards.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Cain is both good and evil. Tell us more about him being 'good'. If Man is entirely good or entirely evil there's no ethical question, no choice. But Man has ethical choices, therefore Man is neither entirely good or evil. Cain is, and was an instance of Man. Therefore Cain was neither purely evil nor good. After tomorrow there is a long weekend and thereafter, I might go on holiday. So lets try and complete this circle today and / or tomorrow, yes? So, now that Cain had some element of good, what good actions did he do? Which are the good things that can be attributed to him. Tell me more about that.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Cain is both good and evil. Tell us more about him being 'good'. If Man is entirely good or entirely evil there's no ethical question, no choice. But Man has ethical choices, therefore Man is neither entirely good or evil. Cain is, and was an instance of Man. Therefore Cain was neither purely evil nor good. After tomorrow there is a long weekend and thereafter, I might go on holiday. So lets try and complete this circle today and / or tomorrow, yes? So, now that Cain had some element of good, what good actions did he do? Which are the good things that can be attributed to him. Tell me more about that. I'll give you an example that perhaps fits your 'theological ideals'. In this case I'd say, goodness, entails the acknowledgement of the supremacy of 'God', and the dependence on God for goodness. Cain acknowledged God's supremacy, that's why he made sacrifices to Him, and even relied on God's promise to keep him alive. The will to be alive was also an act of goodness. If God abhors pure evil, and Cain was purely evil, then God's punishment could've involved Cain's destruction. . .
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Cain is both good and evil. Tell us more about him being 'good'. If Man is entirely good or entirely evil there's no ethical question, no choice. But Man has ethical choices, therefore Man is neither entirely good or evil. Cain is, and was an instance of Man. Therefore Cain was neither purely evil nor good. After tomorrow there is a long weekend and thereafter, I might go on holiday. So lets try and complete this circle today and / or tomorrow, yes? So, now that Cain had some element of good, what good actions did he do? Which are the good things that can be attributed to him. Tell me more about that. I'll give you an example that perhaps fits your 'theological ideals'. In this case I'd say, goodness, entails the acknowledgement of the supremacy of 'God', and the dependence on God for goodness. Cain acknowledged God's supremacy, that's why he made sacrifices to Him, and even relied on God's promise to keep him alive. The will to be alive was also an act of goodness. If God abhors pure evil, and Cain was purely evil, then God's punishment could've involved Cain's destruction. . . Kwani I had to pry it out? lol. So, lets take it a step further, what if Cain and God are / were together? Maybe one.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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Correction, I meant to ask, what if Cain and what Christians know as the Lord, or God are / were together? Maybe one.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:Cain is both good and evil. Tell us more about him being 'good'. If Man is entirely good or entirely evil there's no ethical question, no choice. But Man has ethical choices, therefore Man is neither entirely good or evil. Cain is, and was an instance of Man. Therefore Cain was neither purely evil nor good. After tomorrow there is a long weekend and thereafter, I might go on holiday. So lets try and complete this circle today and / or tomorrow, yes? So, now that Cain had some element of good, what good actions did he do? Which are the good things that can be attributed to him. Tell me more about that. I'll give you an example that perhaps fits your 'theological ideals'. In this case I'd say, goodness, entails the acknowledgement of the supremacy of 'God', and the dependence on God for goodness. Cain acknowledged God's supremacy, that's why he made sacrifices to Him, and even relied on God's promise to keep him alive. The will to be alive was also an act of goodness. If God abhors pure evil, and Cain was purely evil, then God's punishment could've involved Cain's destruction. . . Kwani I had to pry it out? lol. So, lets take it a step further, what if Cain and God are / were together? Maybe one. Cain's evil was that of alienation. His goodness that of 'integration' with God. Integrating with God means 'overcoming' the psychology of alienation, just as 'God' warns him before the murder.
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