@washiku I think I answered your question in my post #7

@Zanze show me where I've said all muslims follow everything Quran says. You see @Wilyam asked "what is the place of alcohol in Islam and CHristianity". I'm just answering as per the subject. I'm saying in Islam, alcohol is haraam, it is forbidden. I gave verses in the Quran to this effect. Of course some Muslims indulge in alcohol consumption, yet they know it is forbidden. But what I said the "BIGGEST", Islam has created the biggest society of teetollers in the world. They are the majority of those who don't indulge in alcohol. If some Muslims do not follow this, does not mean is allowed. This is their choice. They know it is wrong. This is between them and God. The Quran clearly states the lawful and unlawful actions and all humans must follow this Law of God which is known as the 'Shariah' or Islamic Law.

But if they don't, no one can force them. It only means they don't believe as the verse says:
Quran Chapter 5 verse 90:
"O Ye who believe! Intoxicants and Gambling, Sacrificing to Stones, and (divination by) Arrows, are an abomination, of Satan's handiwork; Keep away from such, that Ye may prosper."

@Masukuma, remember in every community there are black sheep but on the basis of these black sheep we can't say that the whole community is wrong.

@Lolest! Bible condemns wine. If you believe in it, then you should follow. But if you don't then you disobey.
Romans 14:21 -> It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that causes your brother to stumble.
Proverbs 31:6-7 -> Give strong drink to the one who is perishing, and wine to those in bitter distress; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more
Proverbs 20:1 -> Wine is a mocker, strong drink a brawler, and whoever is led astray by it is not wise.
1 Peter 5:8 -> Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

And for @Masukuma, @washiku and @dia you are arguing that drunkedness is not drinking wine. Up to you how you interpret it. To me drunkardness is as a result of drinking something with alcohol in it.

@Mukiri do you believe? You don't really believe that the Bible is the word of God. It is just there for adornment, for beautification. Things that God said in the old testament and the thing Jesus (pbuh) said, no you are not prepared to do that. God set out the commandments in the old testament, that is why you still quote the ten commandments. And Jesus didn't come to change that law, Matt 5:17 he says:
"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets; I am not come to destroy but to fullfil.
For verilly, I tell you, till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no way pass from the law, till all is fullfilled. Whosoever, therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven"

Has the world ended? Where are the Christians who follow the law and the commandments? Universally, they reject the laws and the commandments.
And now you @Mukiri you say you are not bound by the law, that you are living in the grace, as Paul taught you. According to Jesus, you're worthless rubbish, even if you break one of these least commandments, you're not his follower.

In conclusion
I'm not speaking on behalf of anybody. I'm speaking on behalf of myself. I follow the teachings of the books of God:
- Torah given to Moses (pbuh)
- Zabur given to David (pbuh)
- Injeel given to Jesus (pbuh)
- Quran given to Muhammad (pbuh)

So I rest my case.

I have researched on this in depth...lame excuse to justify drinking.

Was it Wine or grape Juice at Cana Galilee ?
wine for lack of a better word then? how comes not a single drunkard is mentioned after the cana wedding


remember bible talks of slave in what we could consider as employee in modern world.


ponder that

It was unfermented thus not with any alcoholic content...alcohol has no place in religion period.

What about Jesus and wine?

Some may respond that this is simply an indictment of the abuse of alcohol. Didn’t Jesus make an abundance of wine at the wedding of Cana (John 2)? Indeed, He made something like 150 gallons (about 600 liters) of wine (Greek oinos) for the festivities. However, like many of the positive statements about wine in the Old Testament, the reference to oinos in this context is within a description of a festival event where an abundance of food and drink highlights a joyous occasion. Furthermore, note the words of the superintendent that sound much like a proverb: “Every person first puts out the good wine and when people have drunk well, the inferior.” He then continues tellingly, “You have kept the good wine until now.”

This “proverbial saying” is seen by many as a shrewd insight on the stupefying effect of alcohol. When people first begin to drink they can perceive the wine’s quality. But after they have become drunk, everything seems the same, so why waste good wine on drunk people?

However, this misses a key element in the passage and misinterprets the significance of food and drink in a festival setting. The key element it bypasses is the fact that the superintendent of the feast could still tell the difference between good and inferior wine. He obviously was not drunk and just as obviously had been drinking what had been served earlier, since he noted the difference. The significance of food and drink in a festival setting was that the abundance was part of the rejoicing. Tied intimately with this was a deep traditional emphasis on hospitality. With such a set of social norms, the placing of the “good wine” before guests at the beginning of the feast would be done to honor them.