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Rea Vipingo takeover at 40/= per share
cnn
#41 Posted : Wednesday, December 04, 2013 6:27:26 PM
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Kausha wrote:
Interesting play by Centum. The value of that land is crazy. Reminds me of the theft Unilever carried out by delisting when markets were rock bottom in 2009 yet the carrying value of the land was so low.

Great to see Centum reading in between the mischief REA holdings were about to carry out.

I am all for these deals being scattered,even Centum's offer is peanuts.The minority shareholders should open their eyes and see what they are being offered is no where near fair value.
King G
#42 Posted : Wednesday, December 04, 2013 6:29:43 PM
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Why is these thefts by foreigners rubber-stamped by CMA and in the long haul GoK year in year out and it is the Wanjikus who suffer. Surely why cant it be a rule that before you de-list proper vaulation is carried out. CROOKS/THIEVES!!!!!
Thieves
tomtom
#43 Posted : Wednesday, December 04, 2013 7:42:53 PM
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Playing by the rules
stocksmaster
#44 Posted : Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:00:37 PM
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sparkly wrote:
stocksmaster wrote:
muganda wrote:
Now now does Centum have the wherewithal to run ReaVipingo if founders leave?
Or maybe an effort to raise the takeover consideration they obtain?
Or an undercover agreement with the brothers?
Perhaps another Centum share price summersault!



Its the land.........I don't think Centum are interested in farming sisal. The over 10000 acres at Rea Vipingo even at a conservative Ksh 1M per acre values the share at about Ksh 200. Factor in Kibwezi and TZ acreage plus the retained earnings minus debts and you realise even Ksh 400 (10 times the initial offer price) would be a steal. The valuation of this company as far as a takeover is concerned should not be based on the 6 months share price average plus some token but on the value of the balance sheet and in particular the land at play.

Am happy Centum is putting in a fight for the locals whose assets are almost going for a song.

Happy hunting.


I am going to add more of Centum, cross my fingers and hope they succeed in their bid.

Vipingo Ridge bought some sisal estate at KShs 30k per acre 7 years ago but are selling at KShs 14m per acre after building the golf course.


Centum would just need to spin off 1000 acres out of the more than 10,500 Rea Vipingo land neighbouring the Vipingo Ridge, do a similar project and raise enough to pay off any loan they might take to purchase the company.

Happy hunting.
VituVingiSana
#45 Posted : Wednesday, December 04, 2013 11:47:20 PM
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King G wrote:
Why is these thefts by foreigners rubber-stamped by CMA and in the long haul GoK year in year out and it is the Wanjikus who suffer. Surely why cant it be a rule that before you de-list proper vaulation is carried out. CROOKS/THIEVES!!!!!
LOL, are you serious? If you think it is not enough, then do not tender your shares. Or even better, do what Centum did. Get your chama together & bid for the shares at 70/- but getting your MP or some bureaucrat involved is a recipe for disaster.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
jerry
#46 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:14:13 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
King G wrote:
Why is these thefts by foreigners rubber-stamped by CMA and in the long haul GoK year in year out and it is the Wanjikus who suffer. Surely why cant it be a rule that before you de-list proper vaulation is carried out. CROOKS/THIEVES!!!!!
LOL, are you serious? If you think it is not enough, then do not tender your shares. Or even better, do what Centum did. Get your chama together & bid for the shares at 70/- but getting your MP or some bureaucrat involved is a recipe for disaster.

What I find unfit is de-listing.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
VituVingiSana
#47 Posted : Thursday, December 05, 2013 12:51:04 AM
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jerry wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
King G wrote:
Why is these thefts by foreigners rubber-stamped by CMA and in the long haul GoK year in year out and it is the Wanjikus who suffer. Surely why cant it be a rule that before you de-list proper vaulation is carried out. CROOKS/THIEVES!!!!!
LOL, are you serious? If you think it is not enough, then do not tender your shares. Or even better, do what Centum did. Get your chama together & bid for the shares at 70/- but getting your MP or some bureaucrat involved is a recipe for disaster.

What I find unfit is de-listing.
For many firms, a NSE listing is a pain. Have you been to an AGM?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
muganda
#48 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 2:56:33 PM
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The Robinow brothers give a British shrug to the antics of the youngsters at Centum. http://www.businessdailyafrica....6/-/jfulx3z/-/index.html

Eisshh, no counter offer, no bother!
-they've proceeded seeking regulatory approvals for the offer at 40/=
-believe REA will grow better when private, better for East Africa
-they will not divest from large-scal sisal growing

So I must ask again, if Centum succeed in scuttling the offer, won't they just have doubled the value of the Brothers shares at their expense, for land they can't touch?

VituVingiSana
#49 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 4:56:22 PM
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muganda wrote:
The Robinow brothers give a British shrug to the antics of the youngsters at Centum. http://www.businessdailyafrica....6/-/jfulx3z/-/index.html

Eisshh, no counter offer, no bother!
-they've proceeded seeking regulatory approvals for the offer at 40/=
-believe REA will grow better when private, better for East Africa
-they will not divest from large-scal sisal growing

So I must ask again, if Centum succeed in scuttling the offer, won't they just have doubled the value of the Brothers shares at their expense, for land they can't touch?

No. The value of the land does NOT change whether the offer is at 40 or 50 or 60. What changes is the value of the shares. The Robinows would NOT have sold the shares at 27 or at 40. I doubt they will sell at 50.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Metasploit
#50 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 8:49:29 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
muganda wrote:
The Robinow brothers give a British shrug to the antics of the youngsters at Centum. http://www.businessdailyafrica....6/-/jfulx3z/-/index.html

Eisshh, no counter offer, no bother!
-they've proceeded seeking regulatory approvals for the offer at 40/=
-believe REA will grow better when private, better for East Africa
-they will not divest from large-scal sisal growing

So I must ask again, if Centum succeed in scuttling the offer, won't they just have doubled the value of the Brothers shares at their expense, for land they can't touch?

No. The value of the land does NOT change whether the offer is at 40 or 50 or 60. What changes is the value of the shares. The Robinows would NOT have sold the shares at 27 or at 40. I doubt they will sell at 50.


CHECK ALY KHAN SATCHU ARTICLE.

http://the-star.co.ke/ne...wars-robinows-vs-centum

At 40/= or even 50/= the share is egregiously UNDERVALUED.

“The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
charming soul
#51 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 11:20:30 PM
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I feel cheated and betrayed. I was actually planning to hold my vipingo shares long term and to be used as my retirement security. I travelled to mombasa last year to see land that stima Sacco was selling in vipingo opposite the ridge at 1.8m per 1/4 acre and land sold by rea vipingo to the vipingo ridge is going for over 20m for the same size of plot. Not only is land scarce but the value has ripened and these buyers are exploiting innocent minority shareholders. Can't the share holders protest? Isn't CMA supposed to protect the rights of shareholders? Will theft just allow the big fish to swallow us alive? Do we not have the right to retain our minority holding regardless who owns the majority shares.can they force us to sell? Shouldn't their offer be in parallel to the net asset value of the share which should be over Kshs 3000 per share? Based on just land value leave alone performance of the company. Pls advise. Even reading Alykhan Satchu's article this is a rip off they are buying our land at 43 thousand Kshs an acre. This is day light robbery can't we appeal for justice????
charming soul
#52 Posted : Monday, December 09, 2013 11:26:05 PM
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By the way I don't recall getting any compensation in terms of a special dividend when vipingo sold some of its land to vipingo ridge. Does the company not require the shareholders consent when disposing off fixed assets and should they not have compensated shareholders after sale of that parcel of land?
Murenju
#53 Posted : Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:00:38 PM
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The Robinows will not sell their shares to Centum. Centum is just attempting to keep REA at NSE.
Knock hard and it will be opened. Ask and you will be answered. Seek and you shall find.
the deal
#54 Posted : Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:45:48 PM
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He is just bitter...if he believed in Vipingo that much why did he sell?

"I owned 1% of the shares once but
out of frustration and high carry
costs , I switched position so allow
me try and unpack the numbers for
you"

The two brothers are clear on what they want to do...thats to keep growing Sisal...I'm against this idea of killing Kenya's biggest forex earner for the sake of real estate....the Agricultural sector apart from being a big forex earner it employs thousands...should this jobs be lost because of greed?!
sorovi
#55 Posted : Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:21:28 PM
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Game still not over yetShame on you Shame on you , another suitor proposes a price of sh. 55 per share..

AIB values the the share at Sh168.72 Applause Applause

"AIB Capital in a research note released yesterday said the total estimated value of land before adjusting for illiquidity discount, stands at Sh15.46 billion, pointing to the allure that the three bidders could be responding to.

We assumed a 30 per cent illiquidity discount on the sale of land, accounting for Sh4.64 billion, therefore reducing value to Sh10.82 billion before accounting for liabilities,” said the report authored by research analyst Parshva Shah. From REA Vipingo half-year 2013 results, the firm’s total liabilities stood at Sh701.81 million. This puts the value of the company at Sh168.72 per share or Sh10.12 billion without accounting for other assets"

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VituVingiSana
#56 Posted : Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:25:11 AM
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the deal wrote:
He is just bitter...if he believed in Vipingo that much why did he sell?

"I owned 1% of the shares once but
out of frustration and high carry
costs , I switched position so allow
me try and unpack the numbers for
you"

The two brothers are clear on what they want to do...thats to keep growing Sisal...I'm against this idea of killing Kenya's biggest forex earner for the sake of real estate....the Agricultural sector apart from being a big forex earner it employs thousands...should this jobs be lost because of greed?!
@thedeal, what are your major holdings?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
the deal
#57 Posted : Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:35:36 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
the deal wrote:
He is just bitter...if he believed in Vipingo that much why did he sell?

"I owned 1% of the shares once but
out of frustration and high carry
costs , I switched position so allow
me try and unpack the numbers for
you"

The two brothers are clear on what they want to do...thats to keep growing Sisal...I'm against this idea of killing Kenya's biggest forex earner for the sake of real estate....the Agricultural sector apart from being a big forex earner it employs thousands...should this jobs be lost because of greed?!
@thedeal, what are your major holdings?

1. My portfolio is public knowledge....I even give quaterly performance updates.

2. Where was everyone? Why do we have all of sudden this huge interest in Vipingo's land? I cant recall any research firm offering coverage on RVP!

3. For me I rather have Ksh40 now than wait 2 years and not receive Ksh50...the opportunity cost is too high. Coz Trust me any bid apart from those two brothers will not succed.

4. Whats the point of having a relisted RVP with a divided board? Because Centum & the two brothers are clearly not on the same page in terms of strategy!

VituVingiSana
#58 Posted : Wednesday, December 11, 2013 9:49:19 AM
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@the deal - "1. My portfolio is public knowledge....I even give quarterly performance updates." is not an answer. Of course, you need not answer the question but at least tell me you don't want to.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
the deal
#59 Posted : Wednesday, December 11, 2013 10:49:43 AM
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Ah I will stop commenting on this forum...LOL...not good for someone trying to build a brand...all this arguments ultimately hurt ones brand...since you cant control who responds to your post here....its also not good for clients...I have clients who hold huge positions in RVP based on my recommendations...you can follow me on twitter @mikada08 I will follow back. For those interested in my portfolio and quarterly updates go to my blog....from now its twitter and blog.
mkonomtupu
#60 Posted : Wednesday, December 11, 2013 11:12:54 AM
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the deal wrote:
Ah I will stop commenting on this forum...LOL...not good for someone trying to build a brand...all this arguments ultimately hurt ones brand...since you cant control who responds to your post here....its also not good for clients...I have clients who hold huge positions in RVP based on my recommendations...you can follow me on twitter @mikada08 I will follow back. For those interested in my portfolio and quarterly updates go to my blog....from now its twitter and blog.


@deal, I think wazua helped you build your brand, this forum has some of the sharpest minds and the arguments are what makes wazua tick, knives sharpening knives.
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