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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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masukuma wrote:
so you think we are primitive? A friend of mine had a conversation with me the other day on PEV and he asked... so... Post Election violence... how many people were killed and I replied 1300... he asked... What kinds of weapons were you using? those are very few people to die in a war!! I think while we have issues that divide us - majority of people outside Africa have killed more for flimsier reasons.
check out these approximate figures...
How did you forget the great triangle trade where people close to 480,000,000 were eliminated. Nearly 0.5 billion black people!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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Much as there's value in learning from the past... There's quite some slave mindset/hypocrisy on our part, when frowning about slavery from centuries past... 1) as we prostrate ourselves at the alter of Capitalism, our new slave master 2) as we are busy enslaving maids/watchmen in our homes even today 3) when Serve and Suffer [49] slave policemen, and Turkana vs Pokot [5] slave tribesmen, together attract fewer posts than compared to this thread with my post no 62. Maybe we all need to cut the enslaver of the past a break, and deal with the enslaver within us, around us, today!
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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muganda wrote:Much as there's value in learning from the past... There's quite some slave mindset/hypocrisy on our part, when frowning about slavery from centuries past... 1) as we prostrate ourselves at the alter of Capitalism, our new slave master 2) as we are busy enslaving maids/watchmen in our homes even today 3) when Serve and Suffer [49] slave policemen, and Turkana vs Pokot [5] slave tribesmen, together attract fewer posts than compared to this thread with my post no 62. Maybe we all need to cut the enslaver of the past a break, and deal with the enslaver within us, around us, today! I understood the first 2 then I read the 3rd. And my jaw dropped. I wondered why my 'inaction', 'abstention', 'freedom' was being questioned. I must be the maid and the watchman. Surely the threads, the supply, exists why is my demand and consumption not being felt therein? Why are you doing this?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,907
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Muriel wrote:I understood the first 2 then I read the 3rd. And my jaw dropped.
I wondered why my 'inaction', 'abstention', 'freedom' was being questioned. I must be the maid and the watchman.
Surely the threads, the supply, exists why is my demand and consumption not being felt therein?
Why are you doing this?  Hehehe @Muriel, no harm no foul. I once read about unconcious bias and how it's a powerful hidden force. It betrays our true most urgent thoughts even without our knowledge. (see actor-observer bias, telescoping effect etc.)So it's more enticing to talk about fear from afar, or African identity in third party form, or controversy of the white slave master... And more peaceful for our minds to ignore the injustice that is grotesque, ugly, close now. Thus I agree with @tycho's insight: tycho wrote:Now when I write this I feel as if all this time I have said I want to be free because it's fashionable to do so. But deep in my heart I'm weak, and full of fear, the fear to be responsible for the child running on the street, the driver, the robber, the ailing person, the old. I fear to be responsible for the hungry and naked.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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tycho wrote:Now when I write this I feel as if all this time I have said I want to be free because it's fashionable to do so. But deep in my heart I'm weak, and full of fear, the fear to be responsible for the child running on the street, the driver, the robber, the ailing person, the old. I fear to be responsible for the hungry and naked. [/quote] This fear will evaporate the moment it dawns on you that no matter how hard you try the weak,poor,hungry,sick will always be among us. Do what you can with what you have,without guilt or pressure, after all it's not the numbers that we touch but the intensity and impact of the touch which counts. Leave the numbers to goverment.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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I dont understand the issue even after 65 posts. The chinese and indians have figured out how to deal with the mzungus. But the black man is still mourning about slavery. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I dont understand the issue even after 65 posts. The chinese and indians have figured out how to deal with the mzungus. But the black man is still mourning about slavery. unlike the blackman - chinese, indians , japanese had contact with the whiteman early (some of these societies were quite advanced for their time). The populations that got it rough were those that joined the race late (american indians, Australian aborigines, subsaharan africans). basically anyone who was isolated from the action taking place in euroasia. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:tycho wrote:Now when I write this I feel as if all this time I have said I want to be free because it's fashionable to do so. But deep in my heart I'm weak, and full of fear, the fear to be responsible for the child running on the street, the driver, the robber, the ailing person, the old. I fear to be responsible for the hungry and naked. This fear will evaporate the moment it dawns on you that no matter how hard you try the weak,poor,hungry,sick will always be among us. Do what you can with what you have,without guilt or pressure, after all it's not the numbers that we touch but the intensity and impact of the touch which counts. Leave the numbers to goverment. That the poor and hungry will always be among us is simply saying that the world will always have slaves. So what's the point in seeking to be free? If the intensity and impact of the touch could be sufficient then there'd be no slaves.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:I dont understand the issue even after 65 posts. The chinese and indians have figured out how to deal with the mzungus. But the black man is still mourning about slavery. unlike the blackman - chinese, indians , japanese had contact with the whiteman early (some of these societies were quite advanced for their time). The populations that got it rough were those that joined the race late (american indians, Australian aborigines, subsaharan africans). basically anyone who was isolated from the action taking place in euroasia. 'White man' has no definition worth it's salt. Clinging to this idea is slavery par excellence. Apropos @masukuma, there's this list of deaths that you've shown us. Don't you think by saying 'war' you've compromised your argument beyond repair? As in, who and what, defines 'war'? Are there wars that you've failed to consider? Then, even in war, do the figures of the dead matter really? Especially as Sun Tzu says, the greatest general wins without violence?
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