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tycho wrote:
Some people have also looked at how severing the corpus callosum affects 'identity' especially Derek Parfit. Check out his thoughts . . .
Seriously tycho? Severing? any other 'comfortable example'?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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masukuma wrote:We tend to forget injustices meted on other people too , check this photo for example
Until the mid-60s, indigenous Australians came under the Flora And Fauna Act, which classified them as animals, not human beings. This also meant that killing an indigenous Australian meant you weren’t killing a human being, but an animal.  thought they were animals.Do we have pics of blacks behaving badly? We are also barbaric you know, An african can kill a fellow african over a cow plot/food/tribe and no we didn't pick that from slave masters. It's just our primitive ways of employing primitive solutions to normal problems cutting across all races.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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quoting Malcom X Quote:We cannot think of uniting with others, until after we have first united among ourselves. We cannot think of being acceptable to others until we have first proven acceptable to ourselves.
This is so true!! EAC is an example heck even Kenya is an example. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote: thought they were animals.Do we have pics of blacks behaving badly? We are also barbaric you know, An african can kill a fellow african over a cow plot/food/tribe and no we didn't pick that from slave masters. It's just our primitive ways of employing primitive solutions to normal problems cutting across all races. so you think we are primitive? A friend of mine had a conversation with me the other day on PEV and he asked... so... Post Election violence... how many people were killed and I replied 1300... he asked... What kinds of weapons were you using? those are very few people to die in a war!! I think while we have issues that divide us - majority of people outside Africa have killed more for flimsier reasons. check out these approximate figures Quote:
1860-65: USA civil war (628,000)
1886-1908: Belgium-Congo Free State (8 million)
1898: USA-Spain & Philippines (220,000)
1899-02: British-Boer war (100,000)
1899-03: Colombian civil war (120,000)
1899-02: Philippines vs USA (20,000)
1900-01: Boxer rebels against Russia, Britain, France, Japan, USA against rebels (35,000)
1903: Ottomans vs Macedonian rebels (20,000)
1904: Germany vs Namibia (65,000)
1904-05: Japan vs Russia (150,000)
1910-20: Mexican revolution (250,000)
1911: Chinese Revolution (2.4 million)
1911-12: Italian-Ottoman war (20,000)
1912-13: Balkan wars (150,000)
1915: the Ottoman empire slaughters Armenians (1.2 million)
1915-20: the Ottoman empire slaughters 500,000 Assyrians
1916-23: the Ottoman empire slaughters 350,000 Greek Pontians and 480,000 Anatolian Greeks
1914-18: World War I (20 million)
1916: Kyrgyz revolt against Russia (120,000)
1917-21: Soviet revolution (5 million)
1917-19: Greece vs Turkey (45,000)
1919-21: Poland vs Soviet Union (27,000)
1928-37: Chinese civil war (2 million)
1931: Japanese Manchurian War (1.1 million)
1932-33: Soviet Union vs Ukraine (10 million)
1932: "La Matanza" in El Salvador (30,000)
1932-35: "Guerra del Chaco" between Bolivia and Paraguay (117.500)
1934: Mao's Long March (170,000)
1936: Italy's invasion of Ethiopia (200,000)
1936-37: Stalin's purges (13 million)
1936-39: Spanish civil war (600,000)
1937-45: Japanese invasion of China (500,000)
1939-45: World War II (55 million) including holocaust and Chinese revolution
1946-49: Chinese civil war (1.2 million)
1946-49: Greek civil war (50,000)
1946-54: France-Vietnam war (600,000)
1947: Partition of India and Pakistan (1 million)
1947: Taiwan's uprising against the Kuomintang (30,000)
1948-1958: Colombian civil war (250,000)
1948-1973: Arab-Israeli wars (70,000)
1949-: Indian Muslims vs Hindus (20,000)
1949-50: Mainland China vs Tibet (1,200,000)
1950-53: Korean war (3 million)
1952-59: Kenya's Mau Mau insurrection (20,000)
1954-62: French-Algerian war (368,000)
1958-61: Mao's "Great Leap Forward" (38 million)
1960-90: South Africa vs Africa National Congress (?)
1960-96: Guatemala's civil war (200,000)
1961-98: Indonesia vs West Papua/Irian (100,000)
1961-2003: Kurds vs Iraq (180,000)
1962-75: Mozambique Frelimo vs Portugal (10,000)
1962-75: Angolan FNLA & MPLA vs Portugal (50,000)
1964-73: USA-Vietnam war (3 million)
1965: second India-Pakistan war over Kashmir
1965-66: Indonesian civil war (250,000)
1966-69: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" (11 million)
1966-: Colombia's civil war (31,000)
1967-70: Nigeria-Biafra civil war (800,000)
1968-80: Rhodesia's civil war (?)
1969-: Philippines vs the communist Bagong Hukbong Bayan/ New People's Army (40,000)
1969-79: Idi Amin, Uganda (300,000)
1969-02: IRA - Norther Ireland's civil war (3,000)
1969-79: Francisco Macias Nguema, Equatorial Guinea (50,000)
1971: Pakistan-Bangladesh civil war (500,000)
1972-: Philippines vs Muslim separatists (Moro Islamic Liberation Front, etc) (150,000)
1972: Burundi's civil war (300,000)
1972-79: Rhodesia/Zimbabwe's civil war (30,000)
1974-91: Ethiopian civil war (1,000,000)
1975-78: Menghitsu, Ethiopia (1.5 million)
1975-79: Khmer Rouge, Cambodia (1.7 million)
1975-89: Boat people, Vietnam (250,000)
1975-87: civil war in Lebanon (130,000)
1975-87: Laos' civil war (184,000)
1975-2002: Angolan civil war (500,000)
1976-83: Argentina's military regime (20,000)
1976-93: Mozambique's civil war (900,000)
1976-98: Indonesia-East Timor civil war (600,000)
1976-2005: Indonesia-Aceh (GAM) civil war (12,000)
1977-92: El Salvador's civil war (75,000)
1979: Vietnam-China war (30,000)
1979-88: the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan (1.3 million)
1980-88: Iraq-Iran war (435,000)
1980-92: Sendero Luminoso - Peru's civil war (69,000)
1984-: Kurds vs Turkey (35,000)
1981-90: Nicaragua vs Contras (60,000)
1982-90: Hissene Habre, Chad (40,000)
1983-: Sri Lanka's civil war (70,000)
1983-2002: Sudanese civil war (2 million)
1986-: Indian Kashmir's civil war (60,000)
1987-: Palestinian Intifada (4,500)
1988-2001: Afghanistan civil war (400,000)
1988-2004: Somalia's civil war (550,000)
1989-: Liberian civil war (220,000)
1989-: Uganda vs Lord's Resistance Army (30,000)
1991: Gulf War - large coalition against Iraq to liberate Kuwait (85,000)
1991-97: Congo's civil war (800,000)
1991-2000: Sierra Leone's civil war (200,000)
1991-2009: Russia-Chechnya civil war (200,000)
1991-94: Armenia-Azerbaijan war (35,000)
1992-96: Tajikstan's civil war war (50,000)
1992-96: Yugoslavian wars (260,000)
1992-99: Algerian civil war (150,000)
1993-97: Congo Brazzaville's civil war (100,000)
1993-2005: Burundi's civil war (200,000)
1994: Rwanda's civil war (900,000)
1995-: Pakistani Sunnis vs Shiites (1,300)
1995-: Maoist rebellion in Nepal (12,000)
1998-: Congo/Zaire's war - Rwanda and Uganda vs Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia (3.8 million)
1998-2000: Ethiopia-Eritrea war (75,000)
1999: Kosovo's liberation war - NATO vs Serbia (2,000)
2001-: Afghanistan's liberation war - USA & UK vs Taliban (40,000)
2001-: Nigeria vs Boko Haram (1700)
2002-: Cote d'Ivoire's civil war (1,000)
2003-11: Second Iraq-USA war - USA, UK and Australia vs Saddam Hussein's regime and Shiite squads and Sunni extremists (160,000)
2003-09: Sudan vs JEM/Darfur (300,000)
2004-: Sudan vs SPLM & Eritrea (?)
2004-: Yemen vs Shiite Muslims (?)
2004-: Thailand vs Muslim separatists (3,700)
2007-: Pakistan vs PAkistani Taliban (38,000)
2012-: Iraq's civil war after the withdrawal of the USA (?)
2012-: Syria's civil war (100,000)
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/17/2013 Posts: 4,693 Location: Earth
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ok. I get it. But keep it balanced.we ain't saints.Infact I get pissed off whenever I see some waiter rushing to serve a cream fellow first before anyone else-that's slavery in the mind instilled by the owner of the hotel and the poor waiter behaves like a ding'oingo on leash. I do not blame the guest either but the waiter elevating him to a level higher than the rest in his mind.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:kysse wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:I read this from a site- African Holocaust Quote:There is no such thing as a trans-historical African identity. [1] Therefore, in Africa's ancient history the term 'African' as an identity would have had no meaning; people defined themselves as members of kingdoms, religions, and ethnic groups. However, these identities were still of people in the continent we call Africa.
So either Africans self-define and profit from that definition or be defined and perished, marginalized, and exploited by that definition.
You cannot talk about slavery without discussing identity @tycho/muriel do you walk around feeling so african or just human? What gives you identity? colour?language?status? Does being born African condemn you into a life of mental slavery since the conditions already exist? We just adapt and call it duty/hustling? Why do we enjoy conditions which enslave us? but again,how do we beak free if it's all we know? I don't identify with what I have, or how I look; I don't identify with anything that can be named. Not even the word 'human'. I name things, watch them, put them aside. . . my eye sees something new everyday, my creation. My 'Ka' roars over the formless and timeless deep. That's my identity. Incorruptible. You don't identify with anything that can be named,yet you have a name. The name 'tycho' was given to you for identification purposes because you are a human resident of kenya.Are you Casper? We know a human named tycho who types stuff that some of us can't comprehend. We can identify him by his online personality,so hell yeah you have an identity. When we deal with humans we are dealing with the soul, where the spirit resides and Out of the soul comes both evil and good. So there is no way that your 'ka' can be uncorruptible unless it is the other Spirit. And your body bearing the identity 'tycho' is also very corruptible. ok where were we? yeah your identity is somewhat determined by the environment in which you live in. Religious folks will of course identify with God that's theoretical, because their daily living defines them. 'tycho' is a symbol I have offered to be associated with a certain depiction of me. The identity you see in tycho is a congruence of association between the symbol 'tycho' and a set of 'ideas, and style of expression'. Otherwise what you call 'tycho' isn't what @Ngong calls 'tycho'. Some people have also looked at how severing the corpus callosum affects 'identity' especially Derek Parfit. Check out his thoughts . . . Hhhhmmmmm,,,intriguing! But I have my own thoughts. I am human. That is however not my identity neither an excuse for some folliness as some attach the phrase 'I am human'. So what gives me identity? First of all, in what sense? To one, I am of worth, to the other, I am worthless. Being born African has the least to do with (mental) slavery. Like the phrase 'I am human' different individuals are 'enslaved' to different things. People have knowingly or unknowingly worn the Phrygian cap. They are pursuing conditional freedom and liberty. Of what use? To what end? Folly! Silliness! Destruction! Death! What is 'all' in the 'all we know'. Are you certain that that is 'all'? All that is known by all living things is the 'body of knowledge'. Therefore, in this body of knowledge, how much do I know or you know? 0.1% of all knowledge? 10% of all knowledge? 20% of all knowledge? 80% of all knowledge? Does something else (that we don't know) exist in the body of knowledge outside of that knowledge that we insist know? Digressing a little, those who outrightly reject what other people term 'knowledge' claiming it is 'not knowledge' are merely presumptious thinking they 'know it all' yet clearly they know even less. Nothing.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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kysse wrote:tycho wrote:
Some people have also looked at how severing the corpus callosum affects 'identity' especially Derek Parfit. Check out his thoughts . . .
Seriously tycho? Severing? any other 'comfortable example'? There are no comfortable examples about identity. Identity is about severing and integrating. But perhaps @masukuma's post on how aborigines were 'identified' and 'dealt' with. Then you realize that 'identity' is political; always shifting according to 'needs' and or 'fears'. That's why Identity has no symbol in itself, yet all symbols express/ represent it.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:I read this from a site- African Holocaust Quote:There is no such thing as a trans-historical African identity. [1] Therefore, in Africa's ancient history the term 'African' as an identity would have had no meaning; people defined themselves as members of kingdoms, religions, and ethnic groups. However, these identities were still of people in the continent we call Africa.
So either Africans self-define and profit from that definition or be defined and perished, marginalized, and exploited by that definition.
You cannot talk about slavery without discussing identity @tycho/muriel do you walk around feeling so african or just human? What gives you identity? colour?language?status? Does being born African condemn you into a life of mental slavery since the conditions already exist? We just adapt and call it duty/hustling? Why do we enjoy conditions which enslave us? but again,how do we beak free if it's all we know? I don't identify with what I have, or how I look; I don't identify with anything that can be named. Not even the word 'human'. I name things, watch them, put them aside. . . my eye sees something new everyday, my creation. My 'Ka' roars over the formless and timeless deep. That's my identity. Incorruptible. You don't identify with anything that can be named,yet you have a name. The name 'tycho' was given to you for identification purposes because you are a human resident of kenya.Are you Casper? We know a human named tycho who types stuff that some of us can't comprehend. We can identify him by his online personality,so hell yeah you have an identity. When we deal with humans we are dealing with the soul, where the spirit resides and Out of the soul comes both evil and good. So there is no way that your 'ka' can be uncorruptible unless it is the other Spirit. And your body bearing the identity 'tycho' is also very corruptible. ok where were we? yeah your identity is somewhat determined by the environment in which you live in. Religious folks will of course identify with God that's theoretical, because their daily living defines them. 'tycho' is a symbol I have offered to be associated with a certain depiction of me. The identity you see in tycho is a congruence of association between the symbol 'tycho' and a set of 'ideas, and style of expression'. Otherwise what you call 'tycho' isn't what @Ngong calls 'tycho'. Some people have also looked at how severing the corpus callosum affects 'identity' especially Derek Parfit. Check out his thoughts . . . Hhhhmmmmm,,,intriguing! But I have my own thoughts. I am human. That is however not my identity neither an excuse for some folliness as some attach the phrase 'I am human'. So what gives me identity? First of all, in what sense? To one, I am of worth, to the other, I am worthless. Being born African has the least to do with (mental) slavery. Like the phrase 'I am human' different individuals are 'enslaved' to different things. People have knowingly or unknowingly worn the Phrygian cap. They are pursuing conditional freedom and liberty. Of what use? To what end? Folly! Silliness! Destruction! Death! What is 'all' in the 'all we know'. Are you certain that that is 'all'? All that is known by all living things is the 'body of knowledge'. Therefore, in this body of knowledge, how much do I know or you know? 0.1% of all knowledge? 10% of all knowledge? 20% of all knowledge? 80% of all knowledge? Does something else (that we don't know) exist in the body of knowledge outside of that knowledge that we insist know? Digressing a little, those who outrightly reject what other people term 'knowledge' claiming it is 'not knowledge' are merely presumptious thinking they 'know it all' yet clearly they know even less. Nothing. To know everything means being everything and everyone. To know nothing one must know nothing. To be someone is to know something. The rest is a matter of calculation.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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tycho wrote:
To know everything means being everything and everyone. To know nothing one must know nothing.
To be someone is to know something.
The rest is a matter of calculation.
Yes. Yes. Recently, last weekend, I dreamt of someone who was talking about beliefs. He dismissed it bluntly. I dreamt because I try to rest on weekends. This person thought he knows everything as if he was everything and everyone. Now that he doesn't know what other people know, really he knows less than others. He knows very little. He typifies a slave who also knows little. Too little. Why didn't you point it out to him?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Muriel wrote:tycho wrote:
To know everything means being everything and everyone. To know nothing one must know nothing.
To be someone is to know something.
The rest is a matter of calculation.
Yes. Yes. Recently, last weekend, I dreamt of someone who was talking about beliefs. He dismissed it bluntly. I dreamt because I try to rest on weekends. This person thought he knows everything as if he was everything and everyone. Now that he doesn't know what other people know, really he knows less than others. He knows very little. He typifies a slave who also knows little. Too little. Why didn't you point it out to him? I didn't because he already knew about it Muriel.
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