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The Making of a Slave
Muriel
#41 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 4:50:28 PM
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tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:

Right.

From 'slavery', there is need for 'freedom'. It is common knowledge, that the African is a slave and is fearful who requires freedom. One Wazuan even sports a tag reading the African has been conditioned to produce things he doesn't consume and vice versa.

But if the Empires of the world are attempting to go back to the original conditions, to restore it, who really then is enslaved and fearful?

What is the nexus? In my mind I cannot link them.





Muriel, I can understand your situation. Chiefly because of what 'African' has come to mean in our 'world'.

As early as the fifteenth century 'ideological racism' was rife, with people of certain physical charecteristics being dehumanized. By 1600s people like Francois Bernier were sowing the seeds of white supremacy.

Fast forward to the nineteenth century and meet people like Frederick Douglass, people who refused to affirm the knowledge that is so easy to affirm- that the African is a slave- and instead asserted his freedom by showing that he could learn to read even in the harshest of conditions. He affirmed his freedom by beating up a slave breaker. He refused to be broken into submission.

The same applies to us now. If we take the bait by affirming that the African is a member of a race, and has a certain color and lives in a certain place and rank, then we can forget about freedom.

But if we expose the lie and realize that being African is grossly misdefined, and that the defining aspect of the Afrikana is the Ka, or 'spirit', then we can see how every color and phenotype bears the same Ka.

And an Empire is a predominant spirit spanning over lands, motivating humans to harmonius action and growth. This is only possible when we revere, and relate with the immortal Ka.

The Afrikana are the people of spirit. And the people of spirit can only be enslaved when they forget their spirituality. We are slaves because we are not Africans.




Then what is the identity of 'African'?

Are you saying that it is an amorphous terminology that has no defined boundaries, locale?

If this 'identity' has been grossly misdefined or cannot be defined, it means it is as if it has been lost and cannot be recovered.

The 'reality' of manipulation and brainwashing is 'real' and tangible yet we define ourselves as 'we' the Africans.
Muriel
#42 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 4:52:22 PM
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kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:
Muriel stop talking funny.smile
When the going gets tough the tough get going and woi I don't even come close to taking on tycho.I think Tycho drinks Rain water and seeds.

Ok let's address Fear VS Slavery.


Reminds me when I used to fear eating 'omena' because of the way they were staring at me.

In the same vein, rain water and seeds will cause no one indigestion. You are more than tycho. Tycho is just a slice of you.


Well I once tried boiling those things and ended up throwing the sufuria together with the boiling omena.The cat had a field day.


Will catch up on Muriel's later.



Omena.

I understand they are also called the Kisumu Boys.

They are numerous.
tycho
#43 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 6:21:23 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
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Location: Nairobi
Muriel wrote:
tycho wrote:
Muriel wrote:

Right.

From 'slavery', there is need for 'freedom'. It is common knowledge, that the African is a slave and is fearful who requires freedom. One Wazuan even sports a tag reading the African has been conditioned to produce things he doesn't consume and vice versa.

But if the Empires of the world are attempting to go back to the original conditions, to restore it, who really then is enslaved and fearful?

What is the nexus? In my mind I cannot link them.





Muriel, I can understand your situation. Chiefly because of what 'African' has come to mean in our 'world'.

As early as the fifteenth century 'ideological racism' was rife, with people of certain physical charecteristics being dehumanized. By 1600s people like Francois Bernier were sowing the seeds of white supremacy.

Fast forward to the nineteenth century and meet people like Frederick Douglass, people who refused to affirm the knowledge that is so easy to affirm- that the African is a slave- and instead asserted his freedom by showing that he could learn to read even in the harshest of conditions. He affirmed his freedom by beating up a slave breaker. He refused to be broken into submission.

The same applies to us now. If we take the bait by affirming that the African is a member of a race, and has a certain color and lives in a certain place and rank, then we can forget about freedom.

But if we expose the lie and realize that being African is grossly misdefined, and that the defining aspect of the Afrikana is the Ka, or 'spirit', then we can see how every color and phenotype bears the same Ka.

And an Empire is a predominant spirit spanning over lands, motivating humans to harmonius action and growth. This is only possible when we revere, and relate with the immortal Ka.

The Afrikana are the people of spirit. And the people of spirit can only be enslaved when they forget their spirituality. We are slaves because we are not Africans.




Then what is the identity of 'African'?

Are you saying that it is an amorphous terminology that has no defined boundaries, locale?

If this 'identity' has been grossly misdefined or cannot be defined, it means it is as if it has been lost and cannot be recovered.

The 'reality' of manipulation and brainwashing is 'real' and tangible yet we define ourselves as 'we' the Africans.


To see what the Afrikan identity is; you need to ask what the identity of the 'Ka' (spirit) is.

You get into the 'unnameable'.


tycho
#44 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 6:27:56 PM
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Location: Nairobi
kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:
Muriel stop talking funny.smile
When the going gets tough the tough get going and woi I don't even come close to taking on tycho.I think Tycho drinks Rain water and seeds.

Ok let's address Fear VS Slavery.


Reminds me when I used to fear eating 'omena' because of the way they were staring at me.

In the same vein, rain water and seeds will cause no one indigestion. You are more than tycho. Tycho is just a slice of you.


Well I once tried boiling those things and ended up throwing the sufuria together with the boiling omena.The cat had a field day.


Will catch up on Muriel's later.


Hahahaha! There you go! Rainwater and seeds are for planting. You ought to have been 'earth' to rain water and seed; and 'boiler' to the omena.

That's why identity matters.
kysse
#45 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:30:23 PM
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I read this from a site- African Holocaust

Quote:
There is no such thing as a trans-historical African identity. [1] Therefore, in Africa's ancient history the term 'African' as an identity would have had no meaning; people defined themselves as members of kingdoms, religions, and ethnic groups. However, these identities were still of people in the continent we call Africa.

So either Africans self-define and profit from that definition or be defined and perished, marginalized, and exploited by that definition.

You cannot talk about slavery without discussing identity


@tycho/muriel do you walk around feeling so african or just human?
What gives you identity? colour?language?status?
Does being born African condemn you into a life of mental slavery since the conditions already exist? We just adapt and call it duty/hustling?
Why do we enjoy conditions which enslave us? but again,how do we beak free if it's all we know?


simonkabz
#46 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:19:56 PM
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tycho
#47 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 8:39:51 PM
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Location: Nairobi
kysse wrote:
I read this from a site- African Holocaust

Quote:
There is no such thing as a trans-historical African identity. [1] Therefore, in Africa's ancient history the term 'African' as an identity would have had no meaning; people defined themselves as members of kingdoms, religions, and ethnic groups. However, these identities were still of people in the continent we call Africa.

So either Africans self-define and profit from that definition or be defined and perished, marginalized, and exploited by that definition.

You cannot talk about slavery without discussing identity


@tycho/muriel do you walk around feeling so african or just human?
What gives you identity? colour?language?status?
Does being born African condemn you into a life of mental slavery since the conditions already exist? We just adapt and call it duty/hustling?
Why do we enjoy conditions which enslave us? but again,how do we beak free if it's all we know?




I don't identify with what I have, or how I look; I don't identify with anything that can be named. Not even the word 'human'.

I name things, watch them, put them aside. . . my eye sees something new everyday, my creation.

My 'Ka' roars over the formless and timeless deep. That's my identity. Incorruptible.
kysse
#48 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:10:26 PM
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tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:
I read this from a site- African Holocaust

Quote:
There is no such thing as a trans-historical African identity. [1] Therefore, in Africa's ancient history the term 'African' as an identity would have had no meaning; people defined themselves as members of kingdoms, religions, and ethnic groups. However, these identities were still of people in the continent we call Africa.

So either Africans self-define and profit from that definition or be defined and perished, marginalized, and exploited by that definition.

You cannot talk about slavery without discussing identity


@tycho/muriel do you walk around feeling so african or just human?
What gives you identity? colour?language?status?
Does being born African condemn you into a life of mental slavery since the conditions already exist? We just adapt and call it duty/hustling?
Why do we enjoy conditions which enslave us? but again,how do we beak free if it's all we know?




I don't identify with what I have, or how I look; I don't identify with anything that can be named. Not even the word 'human'.

I name things, watch them, put them aside. . . my eye sees something new everyday, my creation.

My 'Ka' roars over the formless and timeless deep. That's my identity. Incorruptible.


You don't identify with anything that can be named,yet you have a name.
The name 'tycho' was given to you for identification purposes because you are a human resident of kenya.Are you Casper?
We know a human named tycho who types stuff that some of us can't comprehend.
We can identify him by his online personality,so hell yeah you have an identity.

When we deal with humans we are dealing with the soul, where the spirit resides and Out of the soul comes both evil and good. So there is no way that your 'ka' can be uncorruptible unless it is the other Spirit.
And your body bearing the identity 'tycho' is also very corruptible.

ok where were we? yeah your identity is somewhat determined by the environment in which you live in.
Meaning, I derive my african identity from being born and living in Africa.





tycho
#49 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:43:55 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
kysse wrote:
tycho wrote:
kysse wrote:
I read this from a site- African Holocaust

Quote:
There is no such thing as a trans-historical African identity. [1] Therefore, in Africa's ancient history the term 'African' as an identity would have had no meaning; people defined themselves as members of kingdoms, religions, and ethnic groups. However, these identities were still of people in the continent we call Africa.

So either Africans self-define and profit from that definition or be defined and perished, marginalized, and exploited by that definition.

You cannot talk about slavery without discussing identity


@tycho/muriel do you walk around feeling so african or just human?
What gives you identity? colour?language?status?
Does being born African condemn you into a life of mental slavery since the conditions already exist? We just adapt and call it duty/hustling?
Why do we enjoy conditions which enslave us? but again,how do we beak free if it's all we know?




I don't identify with what I have, or how I look; I don't identify with anything that can be named. Not even the word 'human'.

I name things, watch them, put them aside. . . my eye sees something new everyday, my creation.

My 'Ka' roars over the formless and timeless deep. That's my identity. Incorruptible.


You don't identify with anything that can be named,yet you have a name.
The name 'tycho' was given to you for identification purposes because you are a human resident of kenya.Are you Casper?
We know a human named tycho who types stuff that some of us can't comprehend.
We can identify him by his online personality,so hell yeah you have an identity.

When we deal with humans we are dealing with the soul, where the spirit resides and Out of the soul comes both evil and good. So there is no way that your 'ka' can be uncorruptible unless it is the other Spirit.
And your body bearing the identity 'tycho' is also very corruptible.

ok where were we? yeah your identity is somewhat determined by the environment in which you live in.
Religious folks will of course identify with God that's theoretical, because their daily living defines them.


'tycho' is a symbol I have offered to be associated with a certain depiction of me.

The identity you see in tycho is a congruence of association between the symbol 'tycho' and a set of 'ideas, and style of expression'. Otherwise what you call 'tycho' isn't what @Ngong calls 'tycho'.

Some people have also looked at how severing the corpus callosum affects 'identity' especially Derek Parfit. Check out his thoughts . . .


masukuma
#50 Posted : Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:57:44 PM
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We tend to forget injustices meted on other people too , check this photo for example


Until the mid-60s, indigenous Australians came under the Flora And Fauna Act, which classified them as animals, not human beings. This also meant that killing an indigenous Australian meant you weren’t killing a human being, but an animal.
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