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Conversion of Christianity to Islam (copy)
Money Whisperer
#71 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2013 12:45:22 PM
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Religion is basically one's personal relationship with God that influences the way we relate with one other and the environment:Love thy neighbor, eat this, don't eat that. Unfortunately a number of people allow other people to direct this relationship, once you create an interface then ritualism and power and wealth take center stage. the moment a human being becomes your gatekeeper to heaven you are doomed. There is a reason why Jesus told the Pharisees that they are children of the devil, they had become gatekeepers and used that privilege to harass poor people including forcefully grabbing their property in the name of tithes. Unfortunately christianity is the most abused religion with the inclusion of rituals and use of graven images by SOME sects and denominations, this does not mean christianity is wrong; it is the people who do these things that are wrong and if as a christian one is not able to establish God's intent and purpose of the world and the individual then chances are such a person will never get it in any religion. Because religion provides an effective leverage to attain power (and wealth), all major religions generate different interpretations hence the presence of sects. Islam has shiite, sufi, wahabi, alahmadiya, Ismailia, so before you convert you must analyze these sects and understand them. from reiner's explanation, she never encountered pious christians whose lives she admired. I have met an Islam and a christian who are so pious and love for God and humanity emanate from deep in their hearts and I admired them greatly. I'm not saying one should not convert, no. Religion to end where I started, is a personal (underline that please) relationship with God based on personal informed choice and we can never even at the threat of death stop the traffic to and from the many religions on earth
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AlphDoti
#72 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:13:52 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
Murchr sorry for that verbal diarrhea you received hapo juu, the way I had high regards for CITAM but if this is a sample of what their leadership is like, then maybe I should try Wakorino..LOL
Hamburglar, I do question a lot of things, but I don't think I want to overdo it and become an Atheist. I believe there is a God, its just that human beings have used his existence for their own selfish pursuits thus tainting Him. If anything you should rethink your stand, most of what you judge God by is the work of man. Your favorite verses of God destroying people in rims of fire is actually written by men in their wild imaginations. The only books that were written expressly from God were the first 5 books of the old testament, the rest were written by human beings.

@Nabwire I say that all religions speak good thing. But Muslims invite the non-Muslims to Islam. Why?

Point one: I say all the religions, most of the things they say are good. But Islam beside speaking good thing, shows you a way how to achieve that goodness. I can give example that all religions say don't rob, Islam says the same, but Islam shows the way how to achieve a state people will not rob: give Zakat, give charity, after that someone robs, chop off the hand, there will be no robbery, there will be no crime.

So what I'm trying to explain is that besides Islam talks about good things, shows a way how to achieve that good thing of goodness.

Point two: If I have to say for example if I'm talking to someone who prefesses Hinduism, if that person has to follow Hindu scripture,
if that person has to be a good HIndu, the Hindu scriptures say there is one God (you can search the Hindu scriptures and you'll see all these verses). The same scripture says don't do idol worship (Bhagavad Gita chapter 7:20) which says
"Those whose minds are distorted by material desires surrender unto demigods and follow the particular rules and regulations of worship according to their own natures".

The person has to believe in one God.
He has to believe in Antim Rishi, whose father will be Vishnu Abdullah, mother's name shall be Amina, who will be born in the village of Sambala (Makkah), who will be born to the chief of the village of Sambala (chief of Makkah), he will be a messenger for the whole humanity. He will get enlightenment at night, in the a cave, he will go northward and come back, he will be given eight qualities. He will be a messenger for the whole of human kind, he will ride a horse, he will have a sword in the right hand, he will have 4 companions, he will be helped by the angels... and so on and on.

Who is this person?
If he is a good Hindu, he has to believe in Antim Rishi otherwise he is not a good Hindu.

If he is a good Hindu, he has to believe in one god. He does not have to do idol worship. Of God, there is no image, there is no photograph, there is no sculpture.

The same applies to Bible and mention of One God, Bible and mention of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)... It is there, very clear.

I have had dialogues with Hindus, and also Christians, many. And I have quoted this. None of them has told my brother, you're wrong. No one.

I am telling people the best book on earth of living is the Quran. I ask people, even here to join me. Join the Muslims, they are 1.5 billion members. It is an invitation.

If you are a Christian and you follow your scriptures, he should come to Islam.

So when I say all the other scriptures were previously the word of God, but the passage of time, they have been changed. The highest percentage has been lost. Whatever small percent remaining we have to follow strictly. Including the first 5 books of the Bible.

So if you follow strictly, you have to believe in Muhammad (peace be upon him). You have to believe in the Quran.

So I give you an invitation brother to come to the religion so that you come closer to Almighty God.

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According to the research of Dr. Ved Prakash Upaddhayaya, Muhammad has been described in the Vedas and the Puranas in four different ways. Firstly, as Narashangsa or 'the Praised'. This has been described as the meaning of the word Muhammad. Secondly, as Antim Rishi - the Final Sage. The Qur'an also declares Muhammad as the final Messenger. Thirdly, as Kalki Avatar, i.e he will be the sage for the last period. Muhammad has surely arrived in the present Kalki period. Fourthly, Muhammad has been mentioned in the Vedas by name. Therefore, from all four points of view, it is Muhammad, who is being pointed out.
tycho
#73 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2013 1:49:38 PM
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tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
@AlphDoti, and does sin exist at all?

@tycho do you mind giving us your definition of sin, then I see if we are talking about the same thing?


I have no definition at the moment, but since you've committed yourself to the statement that there's no original sin, I got intrigued, hence my question. So you are free to use whatever definition you may have.


@AlphDoti?
AlphDoti
#74 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2013 2:16:47 PM
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tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
@AlphDoti, and does sin exist at all?

@tycho do you mind giving us your definition of sin, then I see if we are talking about the same thing?

I have no definition at the moment, but since you've committed yourself to the statement that there's no original sin, I got intrigued, hence my question. So you are free to use whatever definition you may have.

@AlphDoti?

You're the one asking the question, unless you tell me what you mean by sin, how can I answer you? You have to tell me what you mean by sin, that way I'll be able to tell you if it exists or not by my understanding. Otherwise, those tricks of going round in philosophies won't help us.
Money Whisperer
#75 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2013 2:34:49 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
@AlphDoti, and does sin exist at all?

@tycho do you mind giving us your definition of sin, then I see if we are talking about the same thing?

I have no definition at the moment, but since you've committed yourself to the statement that there's no original sin, I got intrigued, hence my question. So you are free to use whatever definition you may have.

@AlphDoti?

You're the one asking the question, unless you tell me what you mean by sin, how can I answer you? You have to tell me what you mean by sin, that way I'll be able to tell you if it exists or not by my understanding. Otherwise, those tricks of going round in philosophies won't help us.

My take on sin. Believer (should) have a personal relationship with God. Now every relationship has policies and rules or boundaries if you wish, to uphold the dignity of the parties involved and to maintain respect of the relationship e.g in your home you have rules for all occupants and visitors, the dos and don'ts such as use of the bathroom and alcohol and drugs policy etc. When you break the rules God has set for the relationship to thrive you have sinned. Ok I have explained the action of sinning but not sin; sin is thus a crime emanating from the breaking of rules that prop our relationship with God. Do i make sense?
"Money never sleeps"
tycho
#76 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2013 5:25:44 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
tycho wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
tycho wrote:
@AlphDoti, and does sin exist at all?

@tycho do you mind giving us your definition of sin, then I see if we are talking about the same thing?

I have no definition at the moment, but since you've committed yourself to the statement that there's no original sin, I got intrigued, hence my question. So you are free to use whatever definition you may have.

@AlphDoti?

You're the one asking the question, unless you tell me what you mean by sin, how can I answer you? You have to tell me what you mean by sin, that way I'll be able to tell you if it exists or not by my understanding. Otherwise, those tricks of going round in philosophies won't help us.


I don't have to say what I mean by 'sin' because you have already told us that 'there's nothing like original sin'. And no one so far, has asked you what you mean by 'sin'.

Therefore I believe it's only fair, using the definition you have been using, to tell us whether there's sin at all, and when one begins to be 'sinful'.
Ngong
#77 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2013 6:54:43 PM
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2Tim2: 14 keep reminding them of these things,warn them before God against quarrelling about words;its of no value,and only ruins those who listen.
Mukiri
#78 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2013 7:06:49 PM
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kysse wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
kysse wrote:
Guest (9), Mukiri

NYINYI! HAMUENDI CHURCH?? Or you are wazuaring from church?

My Wazua is always on, even when I'm taking a ch*tsmile But, have you asked yourself your question?


You replied!!! ,meaning you are chit chatting in church! blasphemy.log out and listen to preaching.
I am watching movie,in bed not church.

Guest (6),

see now, you are hiding among the 6 guests.peeping into wazua from church.

Laughing out loudly I was probably on another thread. Na wewe kamama uko na maneno. Njaa?

Proverbs 19:21
Mukiri
#79 Posted : Sunday, December 01, 2013 7:09:51 PM
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So the muslim has ignored my question?

Proverbs 19:21
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