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Conversion of Christianity to Islam (copy)
AlphDoti
#1 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 3:41:20 PM
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Admin froze the other thread before I could get an opportunity to reply to @Nabwire. So I had to create another one (a copy). Please admin, move the following reply to original thread. And be fair please.
AlphDoti
#2 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 3:51:16 PM
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I'm going to quote to you a verse from the Quran. You owe it to yourself, even the Non-Muslims. Get hold of a copy of the Quran, I say Muslims as well as non-Muslims.
Non-Muslims they must know that they owe it to themselves, since there are 1.4 billion Muslims today. They ought to know how their minds are working. Even as missionaries, who want to talk to the Muslims, intellectually, even them they need the book, to arm yourself as to what the other person believes.

So in Sura Al-Imran chapter 3:19, God tells us, He tells the whole of humanity, He is addressing mindkind.
"Most certainly, The Religion (the deen, the way) acceptable before Allah is Islam (submission to His Will)"

This means the only way to God, acceptable to God, is Islam.

It continues: If anyone chooses, a religion other than Islam, he has lost. In the hereafter he has no place.

So what about Judaism? What about Christianity
When we say that Islam is the only way, does it mean there is no such thing as Judaism? Is there no such thing as Christianity?
No, there are such systems. And what does the Quran say? It says God does not accept anything except Islam. Only Islam, submission to God's Will. That is what God wants.
So now I have to satisfy @Nabwire and you other brothers and sisters in @Wazua.
How do I justify the statement of the Quran, which says no Judaism, no Christianity, but Islam? I'm telling you it is quite easy. Very easy.

You see Judaism came before Christianity, and Christianity came before Islam.
That is what they whole world will tell you. Just like @Nabwire has told you.
Moses live long before Jesus, and long before Prophet muhammad (peace be upon them all). Anybody will tell you that.

But I'm asking any Jew what is your religion, and he will tell you his religion is Judaism. So I ask them, you can ask the Jew, is this word Judaism in your Torah?
For those who don't know what Torah is, this is the book given to prophet Moses, which was later split into the 5 books of Moses (the Jews says "The Torah", Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Number and Deutronomy). You ask is the word Judaism in Torah, he will tell you no. Is it in your mishnah (the second source of commentaries for the Jews)? He will tell you no, the word Judaism is not in the Torah, it is not in mishnah, it is not in the Talmud. So you see now, it is not there? If it is there, show me, where it is. So where did the word come from? Now I want to know where did they get it? So if he knows, he will explain to you that this term Judaism was created, concocted by the non-Jews.

You see the non-Jews in Palestine, they were looking down upon the Jews.
And they said the religion followed by the children of Judah, in Judea, is Judaism.
Moses did not say that. David or Solomon did not utter that word, they never heard that term Judaism. Jesus never herd the word Judaism. This was a term invented by the people from outside, pointing to the Jews saying the religion of the children of Judah, in Judea, is Judaism. And the Jews liked it, and they adopted it.
If there is any Jew here, who knows any better than that, I would like to hear from him.

Then what was the religion taught by Moses?
We believe that the holy prophet Moses was a true messenger of God.
God was directly in communication with him, and whatever he gave in his times to his people was from God, we accept that. But what was his religion? Because he never heard the word Judaism. If Moses is raised alive with us today, or on the other side we get the opportunity of meeting Moses, and if we asked him: Oh Moses, what is your religion? Since he never heard the term Judaism, he can't say Judaism.

I expect him to say that "my religion is the religion of total submission to God's will" (a beautiful definition of the teachings of God). And I will tell him one word for that, in the Arabic language is Islam. Islam means exactly that in one word. Islam is the religion of total submission to the will of God. So what he was teaching was Islam. Maybe himself, he didn't know or use the word Islam, but that is the definition given of Islam. So the teaching of Moses was Islam, not Judaism.
Therefore, God says only Islam is the religion which is accepted in my sight.
No such thing as Judaism or Christianity.

The Meaning of Islam
Quote:
Lissan al-Arab, one of the most authoritative lexicons of the Arabic language, mentions that the word 'Islam' is derived from the root verb istaslama; which means 'to submit' or 'give in' or 'surrender'.


Etymology
Quote:
The word Islam derives from the Arabic triconsonantal root sin-lam-mim (SLM]).
Many different words are created from this root word by inserting different vowels between the three root consonants
Islam -> Submission
Salam -> Well-being/Peace
Saleema -> To be saved or to escape from danger (when refering to a female)
Saleem -> To be saved or to escape from danger (when refering to a male)
Aslam -> To submit
Istaslama -> To surrender
Tasleem -> To receive a salutation or becoming submitted

Ngong
#3 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 5:40:26 PM
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Sawa na dini ya Bw. Yesu ni gani?
Mukiri
#4 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 6:58:49 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
I'm going to quote to you a verse from the Quran. You owe it to yourself, even the Non-Muslims. Get hold of a copy of the Quran, I say Muslims as well as non-Muslims.
Non-Muslims they must know that they owe it to themselves, since there are 1.4 billion Muslims today. They ought to know how their minds are working. Even as missionaries, who want to talk to the Muslims, intellectually, even them they need the book, to arm yourself as to what the other person believes.

Applause Congratulations on 2 points
1. That you've finally decided to be quoting from your book, so that we can see what wisdom lies therein; instead of misquoting the Bible and showing us how you know it better than us.
2. That you've finally agreed that the Qu'ran needs to be everywhere (including hotels?) instead of being sold 'with a good reason'. Or isn't how it gets to the masses? If it can stand public scrutiny, then I'll respect it. Until then, nothing justifies its 'secrecy'

Proverbs 19:21
AlphDoti
#5 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 7:44:37 PM
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Ngong wrote:
Sawa na dini ya Bw. Yesu ni gani?

Where did Christinaity come from?
The word Christianity where did it originate. Did Jesus give his religion saying my religion is Christianity? Did he say that I'm Christ?

If you know, Christ is a Greek translation of the Hebrew word Messiah.
Messiah, in Arabic is Masih, which means the annointed one. Remember priests and Kings were anointed in consecration into an office, that from now on, you're high priest, or from now on, you're our king. So the Hebrew word for that is messiah, means anointed. The Greek word for messiah is Christos. But Chritos is a bit too long, so the cut off the "os" and left with Christ. So the Greek translation of the Hebrew word messiah. Jesus never heard the term, he never heard the word Christ in his lifetime. He never heard the word Christianity in his lifetime, it was unheard, it is a later on creation.

And if we meet Jesus in his second coming, and if you had a good fortune of asking him, oh Jesus what is your religion? If it is Christianity, we can ask him further, so oh Jesus tell us what church do you belong to?
Are you an Anglican, or a Luthernan, or a Presbiterian, or Jehova's witness, or Seventhday Adventist or Catholic, what are you? Rediculous, you agree. What will he say when you ask him what is the name of your religion oh Jesus? Tell us. And he will tell us that my religion is the religion of total submission to God's will. One word for that in the Arabic language is Islam. Islam means "total submission to will of God". God says only Islam.

Christinanity is a creation
Where did the term Christianity come from? It is in the new testament. It says that the enemies of the followers of Jesus, pointed to them at Antioch and for the first time they used the term "These are Christians".
Meaning the worshippers of Christ. "The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch": Acts 11.26. This was long after Jesus had ascended to heaven, and after Saul had persecuted the disciples and after he had "joined" Peter and his group. Before Saul joined Peter, there were NO Christians.
So the CHristians liked the term, so they adopted it. From it you get Christianity. That is Christian => Christiniaty, was the term coined, invented by the enemies of the followers of Jesus.

This obviously means that the group of Jesus and his disciples was not Christian.
Nabwire
#6 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 8:30:53 PM
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Alphadoti, while I think you are more of a moderate, the reasons you give for defending your religion just make me dislike it. So all that tirade was to pull wool over my eyes and somehow make me believe that since Moses didn't know the word Judaism, but was a Jew by birth, it must mean that he was really a Muslim?! Forget the fact that Islam came into existence thousands of years after Moses walked the earth! Did I get you right? SMH! And you cant claim that since the Quran says that Allah is God, it must mean that Islam is the true religion. You do know that the Bible and Torah also claim that their God is the only God right?
Mukiri
#7 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 9:42:50 PM
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Nabwire wrote:
Alphadoti, while I think you are more of a moderate, the reasons you give for defending your religion just make me dislike it. So all that tirade was to pull wool over my eyes and somehow make me believe that since Moses didn't know the word Judaism, but was a Jew by birth, it must mean that he was really a Muslim?! Forget the fact that Islam came into existence thousands of years after Moses walked the earth! Did I get you right? SMH! And you cant claim that since the Quran says that Allah is God, it must mean that Islam is the true religion. You do know that the Bible and Torah also claim that their God is the only God right?

Didn't Mohamed just dream the Qu'ran the other day? Before that were there muslims and what were they using? And is what they were using incorporated into the Qu'ran?

Proverbs 19:21
Angelica _ann
#8 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 9:51:07 PM
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Time for kesha!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Nabwire
#9 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 9:56:23 PM
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Muslims before Mohammed's time were Jewish and/or pagans, just the same way Christians before Jesus were Jewish and/or pagans. That's why its redundant for Muslims to claim that they are the true religion, they just copied Jewish and Christian beliefs and called it Islam. That's why they believe in both Jesus and the prophets from the Torah, but now Alphadoti wants to bring a new twist and claim those prophets like Abraham and Moses were Muslim.
guru267
#10 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 10:22:30 PM
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The words Jew, Christian and Muslims are creations of the post Jesus world... Before that the focus was only on the "God of Abraham" and anyone else was a pagan!

I don' t really think it matters what creed one professes but rather how they live their lives according to the natural moral law..

Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
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