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Standard gauge railway ground breaking set for this week
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#41 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2013 6:34:59 PM
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it does not matter the cost per km as long as there will be 60% reduction on cost of transport from msa to nbo. This means that construction material will be lower in cost by a good margin.
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#42 Posted : Thursday, November 28, 2013 7:30:54 PM
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I agree this project should go on quickly, any delays end up being more expensive not less.

"How Much Does a Railway Cost?

A difficult question! This is a bit like asking how much does a car cost. It depends on whether you want a Mercedes or a Honda, a sports car or a pick-up, a car to do the shopping in or to move furniture with. It also depends on where you buy it. Cars are cheap in the US because there is a huge market and a good economy. Cars are expensive in Singapore because many of them are imported and there is a high taxation penalty to control traffic numbers. Cars are expensive to build in Europe but cheap to build in India because of the differences in labour costs and lower engineering requirements.

It is the same with railways. A single track freight line with a few locomotives and simple signalling, running across a flat, geologically sound, sparsely populated landscape in a developing country might be built for as little as US$ 2 million per kilometre including electrical and mechanical equipment.

A double track underground metro line in a densely populated city with difficult geological conditions, requiring anti-earthquake construction techniques, electric traction, immunity from typhoons and high humidity, high technology specifications and high passenger capacity trains could cost US$ 200 million a kilometre.


One of the most expensive railways ever built was the Jubilee Line extension in London. This cost US$ 330 million a kilometre because of difficult civil engineering, its large and finely built stations and its additional safety equipment and its financing costs.
" (source: railway technical web pages)

NB: it is flat and sparsely populated until salama, from then on to malaba presents a different picture in terms of terrain and population
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#43 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 7:58:09 AM
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I read elsewhere that the railway line will be fenced all the way.What happens to wildlife corridors such as the Tsavo,Amboseli and Aberdares/Mara??
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#44 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 8:52:56 AM
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a4architect.com wrote:
it does not matter the cost per km as long as there will be 60% reduction on cost of transport from msa to nbo. This means that construction material will be lower in cost by a good margin.


It matters a lot considering that this is a loan and not a grant
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#45 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 9:15:07 AM
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The first phase will be built at $2.9m [Ksh 255m] per kilometre, cheaper than similar projects in Ethiopia and Uganda priced at $3.8 m[kshs 334m] and $9.3m [ksh 818m] a kilometre respectively. Some of these projects can cost anything depending on many things ....terrain being the key
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#46 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 9:21:38 AM
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According to the government, the first phase of the new line will cost $2.9 million per kilometre.

Ethiopia, which is currently building a railway line between Sabeta and Mieso in the Northern part of the country, is building it’s line at $3.8 million a kilometre.

In Uganda, Gauff Consultants of Germany, who have been retained as consultants for the Malaba-Kampala section of the Standard Gauge Railway, have estimated the cost at $9.3 million per kilometre.

The wide variations between the three projects mainly reflects differences in altitude, gradient, geographical conditions, the cost of labour, steel and cement.
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#47 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 9:22:47 AM
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tomtom wrote:
Swenani wrote:
tomtom wrote:
Swenani wrote:
[quote=streetwise]The saving outweigh any of those things guys are going to court about...including If I was told the new rail will save a single life. I would build it.


But is it true that international standard cost for building a kilometre of railway is Kshs.170M while the chinese are quotating over Kshs.500Million per kilometre?



What is the source off this figures (170 vs 500)


Source ni magazetini
"All the resources necessary for the successful project implementation, including personnel and finances have been mobilized,” said Liu. The litigants argued in court that the contract is too high as the price unit is pegged at US$6 million (Sh510 million) per kilometer compared to the international standard of $2 million (Sh170 million) per kilometer. They said this was an “obstructive waste of public funds”. - See more at: http://the-star.co.ke/ne...ash.Nm1lSMrb.dpuf"

http://the-star.co.ke/ne...n-sues-stop-new-railway[/quote]

Ah I see.

However I still doubt the dock union intentions. I have seen that $2 million figure before but it was the lower limit not the international standard.


http://www.the-star.co.k...-malaba-railway-project
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#48 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 9:23:47 AM
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I need some education here.

What does this project mean to LAPSSET?

I am looking at a map and having a hard time justifying two similar railway projects in the present form - never mind the justification - and happening concurrently. Plus the sheer magnitude of the investment has already bust our borrowing ceilings.

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#49 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 9:27:23 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
The kenyan section of the railway line will cost ksh.609 billion.
The first train will run in december 2016.
There will be no intersections with roads.
$1.8 B to be spent on 56 locomotives,1,600 wagons,40 coaches.
There will also be a fiber optic cable along the line
Passenger train will run at a speed of 120km/hr and 80km/h for cargo


Freight trains speed will be 120Km/hr
Passenger trains speed will be 180Km/hr

Source:Kenya Railways corporation
http://www.krc.co.ke/joo...amp;id=51&Itemid=66


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#50 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 9:30:14 AM
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Fear not any more...
Both will continue.... different things different routes. May be we will have a connection via Nanyuki, Meru, Isiolo. Those who will live in Kenya 20 years from today will surely be living in a differnt world. Imagine travelling from Nanyuki to Lamu via fast train

Wakanyugi wrote:
I need some education here.

What does this project mean to LAPSSET?

I am looking at a map and having a hard time justifying two similar railway projects in the present form - never mind the justification - and happening concurrently. Plus the sheer magnitude of the investment has already bust our borrowing ceilings.


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#51 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 9:56:41 AM
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Swenani wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The kenyan section of the railway line will cost ksh.609 billion.
The first train will run in december 2016.
There will be no intersections with roads.
$1.8 B to be spent on 56 locomotives,1,600 wagons,40 coaches.
There will also be a fiber optic cable along the line
Passenger train will run at a speed of 120km/hr and 80km/h for cargo


Freight trains speed will be 120Km/hr
Passenger trains speed will be 180Km/hr

Source:Kenya Railways corporation
http://www.krc.co.ke/joo...amp;id=51&Itemid=66



speed is determined by haulage. The speed of transporting crude oil is not the same as the speed of transporting juice
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#52 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 10:03:41 AM
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How fast is an average American freight train?


More on American Freight train speeds
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#53 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 10:38:07 AM
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If you add the chinese loan to the public debt our total public debt is around ksh.3.1 trillion oor 90% of the GDP.
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#54 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 11:04:22 AM
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@Wakanyugi
LAPSSET will suffer lack of funding as most of gava's money is now going towards the standard gauge railway line
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#55 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 11:10:15 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@Wakanyugi
LAPSSET will suffer lack of funding as most of gava's money is now going towards the standard gauge railway line


I thought lapsset was a PPP?
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#56 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 11:15:54 AM
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The ports,berths,refinery,railway line and pipeline are to be built by gava
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#57 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 11:17:07 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
The ports,berths,refinery,railway line and pipeline are to be built by gava

so what will the private partnerships finance?
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#58 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 11:22:53 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
If you add the chinese loan to the public debt our total public debt is around ksh.3.1 trillion oor 90% of the GDP.
Wooow
Miracles need to be done to double our gdp so that the debt is at manageable levels



@Ericsson, If the railways project goes thru' and the regions are connected, the multiplier effect thru increased trade, oil boom and esp the opening up of SSudan will greatly boost the economy. The debt is good as most of it is infrastructure related hence long-term( except the the high wage bill)
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#59 Posted : Friday, November 29, 2013 11:49:50 AM
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Some CORDoms trying to take credit for the Standard Gauge Railway

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#60 Posted : Saturday, November 30, 2013 9:13:17 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
@Wakanyugi
LAPSSET will suffer lack of funding as most of gava's money is now going towards the standard gauge railway line

Key components of lapsset such as transmissions line are almost in place. The commencement for three berths construction is early January.

The factor that lapsset is a regional project, incorporating SS, KE, UG and ET, makes it as viable as the standard gauge line. Me thinks, both projects will change the economic landscape of Kenya and the region.
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