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The substantive discussion on pork Meat and what the Abrahamic religions got to say about it was quite in order. Can we hear what Christianity teaches about pork. For starters are the citations by @Alphadoti on the bible authentic! In the mean time I enjoy Pork. The spare ribs remain un-sparable to me. As for sausages, I insist on Pork. Disclaimer My preferences as above are not likely to change as a result of this discussion. In fact No chance at all! Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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B.Timer wrote:
Can we hear what Christianity teaches about pork.
For starters are the citations by @Alphadoti on the bible authentic!
I quoted for you Mark 7. Have you noted the sections I highlighted in red?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Lolest! wrote:B.Timer wrote:
Can we hear what Christianity teaches about pork.
For starters are the citations by @Alphadoti on the bible authentic!
I quoted for you Mark 7. Have you noted the sections I highlighted in red? @B.Timer good direction. I think the discussion is now getting more objective. You see, at the end of the day, it is up to everybody what he does. We are not saying we can change anybody. But I was just informing those who probably didn't know. To those who want to follow their scripture, the Jews and Christians, to know what is written in their book. And to those who want to look at it from health point of view. Some will still eat it, like @Siringi, @alma and the @untitled no problem. They don't need to give anyone an explanation. They said they eat it because it tastes sweet. So to them taste takes precedence, regardless of any known health risks. But at least they have their reasons.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/31/2008 Posts: 1,076
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Lolest! wrote:B.Timer wrote:
Can we hear what Christianity teaches about pork.
For starters are the citations by @Alphadoti on the bible authentic!
I quoted for you Mark 7. Have you noted the sections I highlighted in red? I had not read comprehensively earlier due to too much Shakespearean/King James English usage! Now I have, but still do note that the Pork matter is not addressed directly. If I understood your post well, the narrative is that one can eat whatever they please. if nothing else, could you at least address yourself to the Bible verses quoted by @Alphadoti Contextual clarification of their import or rebuttal whatever. Dunia ni msongamano..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Wewe cheka tu as I try to make amends. What me and @AlphaDoti have should not be misconstrued to be anything else other than friendly 'banter'. We are both going to heaven where our God will tell us how to handle that business...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/17/2009 Posts: 3,583 Location: Kenya
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@AlphDoti, just to deviate a bit what does your holy book say concerning the call to prayers and being mindful of others.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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The "PORK" thread has been frozen. I guess I won't get an answer if I tried to ask why, would I? I scanned through the responses and I didn't see any single, offensive reply! That only says one thing: pig is a big business, just like the phombe one! IORAIT The below is what I wanted to post: @Mukiri we are still "friends". @iller you asked about what happens if there is no tissue paper? Islam teaches that you can use clean pieces of mud or stones or cloth. But always finish it with water. But very, very important, never ever use bones, or dry food, ot coal, or writing paper. The Islamic ettiquette says never use useful items. @tycho actually summarized it at the end of his post #27
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:---- The below is what I wanted to post: @Mukiri we are still "friends". @iller you asked about what happens if there is no tissue paper? Islam teaches that you can use clean pieces of mud or stones or cloth. But always finish it with water. But very, very important, never ever use bones, or dry food, ot coal, or writing paper. The Islamic ettiquette says never use useful items. @tycho actually summarized it at the end of his post #27 B. Timer, Lolest!, AlphDoti, Tycho. Lolest's is a classic example of taking the bible out of context. The passage he quoted that he takes as addressing 'food' infact addresses 'tradition'. That is the context and 'food' was merely the example used. That is why later on all the 12 apostles agreed, led by the Holy Spirit and James, to tell the new gentile believers to "abstain from food polluted by idols" among other things. The story is in Acts 15. Now, either (a) Jesus (God) was right in his example about food (b) the apostles led by the Holy Spirit (God) was right about abstaining from certain foods or (c) Lolest's interpretation, notwithstanding his use of KJV and 'Shakespearean English', that all foods is good is simply wrong. There is a certain class of christians who have got these issues of law and grace right and AlphDoti cannot bring such accusations about the law of them. By the way, Antiochus IV Epiphanes abomination of sacrificing a pig on the Jewish altar should not really be an 'abomination' if Lolest's interpretation is right. His and the 'cantankerous' one are the kind of posts that get religious threads frozen!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Muriel wrote:
B. Timer, Lolest!, AlphDoti, Tycho.
Lolest's is a classic example of taking the bible out of context. The passage he quoted that he takes as addressing 'food' infact addresses 'tradition'. That is the context and 'food' was merely the example used.
That is why later on all the 12 apostles agreed, led by the Holy Spirit and James, to tell the new gentile believers to "abstain from food polluted by idols" among other things.
The story is in Acts 15.
Now, either
(a) Jesus (God) was right in his example about food
(b) the apostles led by the Holy Spirit (God) was right about abstaining from certain foods or
(c) Lolest's interpretation, notwithstanding his use of KJV and 'Shakespearean English', that all foods is good is simply wrong.
There is a certain class of christians who have got these issues of law and grace right and AlphDoti cannot bring such accusations about the law of them.
By the way, Antiochus IV Epiphanes abomination of sacrificing a pig on the Jewish altar should not really be an 'abomination' if Lolest's interpretation is right. His and the 'cantankerous' one are the kind of posts that get religious threads frozen!
@Muriel you see I was just pointing out what their own pastor is saying. But now @Lolest! quotes Mark 7, which to me is contradicting other parts of the scripture. But it's up to them. Their own pastor, he tells them your scripture says what they should not eat. He says this includes anything that has to do with pig. Of course you love pork chops, but he says for your health sake, Quote:I think people will have to be willing to make some changes, because God knows what is best for us. People never considered a source of food. The pig would eat anything. A pig eats wastes and garbage. A pig would eat other sick and infected animals. They are scavengers. What's interesting is a pig has one of the quickest and poorest digestive system, it takes only 4 hours. So many times, the toxic from the food are not properly eliminated and hence stored in the pig's fat. That means that pig can eat any kind of waste and garbage and other infection, four hours later it is sent to the slaughter and putcher and in a few days it is in a plate. The problem is the toxins were never properly eliminated from the pig.
If you compare this to other animals that God said it's okay for us to eat, like cow, lamb, goat, buffalo, these animals eat fresh, green vegetation. Their digestive system is much more sophisticated. The digestive system takes 24 hours.
Think about it, would you rather eat an animals whose digestive system takes 4 fours or animal whose digestive system take 24 hours.
Would you rather eat an animal that eats waste or an animals that eats fresh vegetation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ycGWwMX1oHow do you know if that pork you eat came from Dandora dump site Farmers ChoiceFarmers choice would have bought the pig from the Dandora farmer. How do you know?
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/19/2009 Posts: 3,142
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AlphDoti wrote:Muriel wrote:
B. Timer, Lolest!, AlphDoti, Tycho.
Lolest's is a classic example of taking the bible out of context. The passage he quoted that he takes as addressing 'food' infact addresses 'tradition'. That is the context and 'food' was merely the example used.
That is why later on all the 12 apostles agreed, led by the Holy Spirit and James, to tell the new gentile believers to "abstain from food polluted by idols" among other things.
The story is in Acts 15.
Now, either
(a) Jesus (God) was right in his example about food
(b) the apostles led by the Holy Spirit (God) was right about abstaining from certain foods or
(c) Lolest's interpretation, notwithstanding his use of KJV and 'Shakespearean English', that all foods is good is simply wrong.
There is a certain class of christians who have got these issues of law and grace right and AlphDoti cannot bring such accusations about the law of them.
By the way, Antiochus IV Epiphanes abomination of sacrificing a pig on the Jewish altar should not really be an 'abomination' if Lolest's interpretation is right. His and the 'cantankerous' one are the kind of posts that get religious threads frozen!
@Muriel you see I was just pointing out what their own pastor is saying. But now @Lolest! quotes Mark 7, which to me is contradicting other parts of the scripture. But it's up to them. Their own pastor, he tells them your scripture says what they should not eat. He says this includes anything that has to do with pig. Of course you love pork chops, but he says for your health sake, Quote:I think people will have to be willing to make some changes, because God knows what is best for us. People never considered a source of food. The pig would eat anything. A pig eats wastes and garbage. A pig would eat other sick and infected animals. They are scavengers. What's interesting is a pig has one of the quickest and poorest digestive system, it takes only 4 hours. So many times, the toxic from the food are not properly eliminated and hence stored in the pig's fat. That means that pig can eat any kind of waste and garbage and other infection, four hours later it is sent to the slaughter and putcher and in a few days it is in a plate. The problem is the toxins were never properly eliminated from the pig.
If you compare this to other animals that God said it's okay for us to eat, like cow, lamb, goat, buffalo, these animals eat fresh, green vegetation. Their digestive system is much more sophisticated. The digestive system takes 24 hours.
Think about it, would you rather eat an animals whose digestive system takes 4 fours or animal whose digestive system take 24 hours.
Would you rather eat an animal that eats waste or an animals that eats fresh vegetation. How do you know if that pork you eat came from Dandora dump site Farmers ChoiceFarmers choice would have bought the pig from the Dandora farmer. How do you know? AlphDoti, What  ! has done is what you also do when you go quoting bible to point out 'contradictions'. I hope to bring this out again when you resume quoting it. I have watched that video so there is no need to give a report. Personally, I think there are better things to eat than pig so I don't know where sausages come from. I respect the food chain and so you wont find me feeding on the scavengers. Thats the work of the decomposers, you know. So I am wondering when you say 'Of course you love pork chops,,,,,,' whom are you referring to?
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