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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Mukiri wrote:Am wrote:Very Controversial topic.
I personally do not think they should go barefoot, or stay poor simply because they are pastors,and Jesus was not rich - as many argue. We must remember that they work like all of us to Improve their livelihoods.
The fine life that most live though, while some amongst the flock that pays them sleeps hungry is what I find ungodly and Immoral.
@Mukiri. Wewe nasemaje? Mimi nasema there are filthy rich people everywhere as there are miserably poor people that contribute to that wealth. Every upmarket residence has a slum beside it... Its in all walks of life. Im not going to pass judgment on anyone certainly not any Pastor. What Im going to do is follow God's instruction and pay my tithe diligently. If someone choses to misuse my tithe, they have God to answer to, its not for me to fret. @Mukiri, why not take that tithe directly to those who need it? Buy some street kids food and clothes, children's homes, pay school fees for some needy kids, pay off some hospital bills etc? Why take it to someone who is clearly a thief? Do these so called pastors have any projects they can point to, to demonstrate that they are assisting the needy apart from payukaing every Sunday and retreating to their leafy suburbs? i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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harrydre wrote:Mukiri wrote:Am wrote:Very Controversial topic.
I personally do not think they should go barefoot, or stay poor simply because they are pastors,and Jesus was not rich - as many argue. We must remember that they work like all of us to Improve their livelihoods.
The fine life that most live though, while some amongst the flock that pays them sleeps hungry is what I find ungodly and Immoral.
@Mukiri. Wewe nasemaje? Mimi nasema there are filthy rich people everywhere as there are miserably poor people that contribute to that wealth. Every upmarket residence has a slum beside it... Its in all walks of life. Im not going to pass judgment on anyone certainly not any Pastor. What Im going to do is follow God's instruction and pay my tithe diligently. If someone choses to misuse my tithe, they have God to answer to, its not for me to fret. @Mukiri, why not take that tithe directly to those who need it? Buy some street kids food and clothes, children's homes, pay school fees for some needy kids, pay off some hospital bills etc? Why take it to someone who is clearly a thief? Do these so called pastors have any projects they can point to, to demonstrate that they are assisting the needy apart from payukaing every Sunday and retreating to their leafy suburbs?  Dangerous words those! Everyone has their roles laid out. You pay your tithe because its an instruction. The same instruction says where such tithe is to be paid; Where you Worship. If you are going to come up with your own rules as to what to do with your 'tithe'(For it ceases to be that when you become its 'master'), then you'd probably be much better off not paying it in the first place. If you feel uncomfortable with where you are, why not change your place of Worship, and pay your tithe there? Judging goes against God's Word; judging and de-facing Pastors is even worse and has a prescribed punishment.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/2/2011 Posts: 4,824 Location: -1.2107, 36.8831
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Mukiri wrote:
Mimi nasema there are filthy rich people everywhere as there are miserably poor people that contribute to that wealth. Every upmarket residence has a slum beside it... Its in all walks of life.
Im not going to pass judgment on anyone certainly not any Pastor. What Im going to do is follow God's instruction and pay my tithe diligently. If someone choses to misuse my tithe, they have God to answer to, its not for me to fret.
Upumbavu nayo! Receive with simplicity everything that happens to you.” ― Rashi
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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Mukiri wrote:harrydre wrote:Mukiri wrote:Am wrote:Very Controversial topic.
I personally do not think they should go barefoot, or stay poor simply because they are pastors,and Jesus was not rich - as many argue. We must remember that they work like all of us to Improve their livelihoods.
The fine life that most live though, while some amongst the flock that pays them sleeps hungry is what I find ungodly and Immoral.
@Mukiri. Wewe nasemaje? Mimi nasema there are filthy rich people everywhere as there are miserably poor people that contribute to that wealth. Every upmarket residence has a slum beside it... Its in all walks of life. Im not going to pass judgment on anyone certainly not any Pastor. What Im going to do is follow God's instruction and pay my tithe diligently. If someone choses to misuse my tithe, they have God to answer to, its not for me to fret. @Mukiri, why not take that tithe directly to those who need it? Buy some street kids food and clothes, children's homes, pay school fees for some needy kids, pay off some hospital bills etc? Why take it to someone who is clearly a thief? Do these so called pastors have any projects they can point to, to demonstrate that they are assisting the needy apart from payukaing every Sunday and retreating to their leafy suburbs? Dangerous words those! Everyone has their roles laid out. You pay your tithe because its an instruction. The same instruction says where such tithe is to be paid; Where you Worship. If you are going to come up with your own rules as to what to do with your 'tithe'(For it ceases to be that when you become its 'master'), then you'd probably be much better off not paying it in the first place. If you feel uncomfortable with where you are, why not change your place of Worship, and pay your tithe there? Judging goes against God's Word; judging and de-facing Pastors is even worse and has a prescribed punishment. @Mukiri, didn't your Bible say you should not just accept anything? That you should question and analyze and choose only what is right? Because, some false prophets have interfered with the scripture?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:harrydre wrote:Mukiri wrote:Am wrote:Very Controversial topic.
I personally do not think they should go barefoot, or stay poor simply because they are pastors,and Jesus was not rich - as many argue. We must remember that they work like all of us to Improve their livelihoods.
The fine life that most live though, while some amongst the flock that pays them sleeps hungry is what I find ungodly and Immoral.
@Mukiri. Wewe nasemaje? Mimi nasema there are filthy rich people everywhere as there are miserably poor people that contribute to that wealth. Every upmarket residence has a slum beside it... Its in all walks of life. Im not going to pass judgment on anyone certainly not any Pastor. What Im going to do is follow God's instruction and pay my tithe diligently. If someone choses to misuse my tithe, they have God to answer to, its not for me to fret. @Mukiri, why not take that tithe directly to those who need it? Buy some street kids food and clothes, children's homes, pay school fees for some needy kids, pay off some hospital bills etc? Why take it to someone who is clearly a thief? Do these so called pastors have any projects they can point to, to demonstrate that they are assisting the needy apart from payukaing every Sunday and retreating to their leafy suburbs? Dangerous words those! Everyone has their roles laid out. You pay your tithe because its an instruction. The same instruction says where such tithe is to be paid; Where you Worship. If you are going to come up with your own rules as to what to do with your 'tithe'(For it ceases to be that when you become its 'master'), then you'd probably be much better off not paying it in the first place. If you feel uncomfortable with where you are, why not change your place of Worship, and pay your tithe there? Judging goes against God's Word; judging and de-facing Pastors is even worse and has a prescribed punishment. @Mukiri, didn't your Bible say you should not just accept anything? That you should question and analyze and choose only what is right? Because, some false prophets have interfered with the scripture? If there is one thing I'll pray for is that the Lord removes your blasphemous self from The Bible and restricts your misguided soul to the koran, until such a time you'll wisen up. NKT! *insert expletives here*
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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Mukiri wrote:AlphDoti wrote:Mukiri wrote:harrydre wrote:Mukiri wrote:Am wrote:Very Controversial topic.
I personally do not think they should go barefoot, or stay poor simply because they are pastors,and Jesus was not rich - as many argue. We must remember that they work like all of us to Improve their livelihoods.
The fine life that most live though, while some amongst the flock that pays them sleeps hungry is what I find ungodly and Immoral.
@Mukiri. Wewe nasemaje? Mimi nasema there are filthy rich people everywhere as there are miserably poor people that contribute to that wealth. Every upmarket residence has a slum beside it... Its in all walks of life. Im not going to pass judgment on anyone certainly not any Pastor. What Im going to do is follow God's instruction and pay my tithe diligently. If someone choses to misuse my tithe, they have God to answer to, its not for me to fret. @Mukiri, why not take that tithe directly to those who need it? Buy some street kids food and clothes, children's homes, pay school fees for some needy kids, pay off some hospital bills etc? Why take it to someone who is clearly a thief? Do these so called pastors have any projects they can point to, to demonstrate that they are assisting the needy apart from payukaing every Sunday and retreating to their leafy suburbs? Dangerous words those! Everyone has their roles laid out. You pay your tithe because its an instruction. The same instruction says where such tithe is to be paid; Where you Worship. If you are going to come up with your own rules as to what to do with your 'tithe'(For it ceases to be that when you become its 'master'), then you'd probably be much better off not paying it in the first place. If you feel uncomfortable with where you are, why not change your place of Worship, and pay your tithe there? Judging goes against God's Word; judging and de-facing Pastors is even worse and has a prescribed punishment. @Mukiri, didn't your Bible say you should not just accept anything? That you should question and analyze and choose only what is right? Because, some false prophets have interfered with the scripture? If there is one thing I'll pray for is that the Lord removes your blasphemous self from The Bible and restricts your misguided soul to the koran, until such a time you'll wisen up. NKT! *insert expletives here* What bigotry! Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Well, maybe it was much too much, but this same muslim gets offended when his koran is attacked, why would he keep an unrelenting assault on our Holy Book? What happened to do unto others as...... As for you muslim, my Bible tells me not to lean unto my own understanding, but through Prayer and Petition....
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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@AlphDoti, @Mukiri.....you can't hold a discussion without poking each other with sticks. These discussions can do without your slug fests, makes my teeth grate, I can now see the logic of the admin clamping down on you two.
In fact, I wish she could muzzle you two for a few days till you call a truce. Exchange email addresses and argue privately to your hearts' content. We have a right not to have many good discussions not suffer from diatribes from you two.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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If you can't stand the heat, you'd be well advised to keep off the kitchen... ama @AlphaDoti tuwaambie aje?
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