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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Tz is just behaving like the UK [the real one!] in the early days of the EEC - long before it metamorphosed into the EU Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/26/2012 Posts: 1,182
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urstill1 wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Lolest! wrote:  interesting!! The current EAC population is around 140million people. Less than 1 country-Nigeria! Our combined GDP is also less than Nigeria's GDP. Actually EAC's combined GDP is roughly a third that of Nigeria! We really need Tz. Her population of close to 50m is EAC's largest! This could make good market for goods provided in other EAC countries. Educated Tanzanians should benefit also from jobs in other countries within the bloc. Let's not forget the natural resources that Tz is very blessed with. How many Tznians are "educated"? About population,what is the population of Singapore/Tiwan/Hong Kong/South Korea etc? Did their "small" populations stop them from advancing? We need Tz but with them not wanting us [Ke,Ug &Rw], we are left with no choice but soldier on. Their pessimism and paranoia will drag the whole bloc. Rwanda is supossed to be the most fearful but they aren't. They are reaping benefits of their fearlessness. We don't have the leadership qualities and work ethics the countries you have mentioned posses. We are a population based continent, that's why companies like Ethiopia despite it's almost closed economy. In short, idiots who thrive on numbers. Tyranny of them eh! Dude, if we start thinking smart and not using emotions, we'll get to those levels. Keep your eyes on Rwanda.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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Here is another piece on the 'isolation' of Tanzania. Meanwhile, over on the East African, Jenerali Ulimwengu is getting hammered for daring to tell it as it is. It reminds of Kenya in the 60's to the 90's, when we used to blame everyone but ourselves for the problems we were creating. I think Tanzania's leadership needs to grow up fast. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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latest updatei.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/30/2013 Posts: 659
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mkeiyd wrote:urstill1 wrote:mkeiyd wrote:Lolest! wrote:  interesting!! The current EAC population is around 140million people. Less than 1 country-Nigeria! Our combined GDP is also less than Nigeria's GDP. Actually EAC's combined GDP is roughly a third that of Nigeria! We really need Tz. Her population of close to 50m is EAC's largest! This could make good market for goods provided in other EAC countries. Educated Tanzanians should benefit also from jobs in other countries within the bloc. Let's not forget the natural resources that Tz is very blessed with. How many Tznians are "educated"? About population,what is the population of Singapore/Tiwan/Hong Kong/South Korea etc? Did their "small" populations stop them from advancing? We need Tz but with them not wanting us [Ke,Ug &Rw], we are left with no choice but soldier on. Their pessimism and paranoia will drag the whole bloc. Rwanda is supossed to be the most fearful but they aren't. They are reaping benefits of their fearlessness. We don't have the leadership qualities and work ethics the countries you have mentioned posses. We are a population based continent, that's why companies like Ethiopia despite it's almost closed economy. In short, idiots who thrive on numbers. Tyranny of them eh! Dude, if we start thinking smart and not using emotions, we'll get to those levels. Keep your eyes on Rwanda. Is Rwanda's upward mobility sustainable post Kagame? If you stay ready, no need to get ready.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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I for one do not blame Tanzanians of being suspicious of Kenyans.
If you talk to Tanzanians you will find that one of their fears is that they do not want Kenya's vices exported to Tanzania.
1. According to them, Kenyans are very tribal oriented. They do not want that tribal hate exported to Tanzania where everyone lives in harmony and nobody cares whether the Prezzi is a Musukuma or Ngoni or Hehe or even Zanzibari. The first prezzi (Nyerere) was from an obscure ethnic group that has less than 100,000 people. The second was Zanzibari. Tanzanians do not care. Tanzanians genuinely get along. There is no mawinder type tribal baiting. They do not want Kenyans flooding the place and poisoning the fresh waters of inter-ethnic harmony that exists there. Because they do not care about a politcians ethnicity, they have the potential to build a better government by voting on issues and not tribalism.
2. They do not want Kenya's corruption exported to Tanzania. If you look at the issue of a common Visa, you know that corruption will be very endemic in this process. You will end up with criminal and terroristic elements such as Al Shabab getting Visas in Nairobi through bribery then gaining free entry into TZ to visit mayhem on Tanzanians.
3. Then there is the criminal element. Again Tanzania is traditionally very safe. Carjackings, muggings, burglaries etc of the type that are commonplace in Kenya are traditionally rare in TZ and when they happen, they are often committed by Kenyan criminals. With all this you understand why Tanzanians are leery of being invaded by Kenyans.
I was at a party with many Tanzanians and I told them that Kenyans bring technical expertise and know how to Tanzania and one of them told they they would sooner not have anyone from Kenya go there. In fact according to them, Kenyans can keep their technical expertise and investment.
4. One other thing they told me is that because Kenya is so dysfunctional and tribal, they think that Tanzania's GDP will surpass Kenya during our lifetimes, given that TZ is growing at a much faster rate and has recently discovered vast amounts of minerals. According to them, Kenya now wants a piece of Tanzania because they (Kenyans) are afraid that Tanzania is passing Kenya in terms of GDP.
There is an element of truth to all this but bitter and sour Kenyans would rather point a finger at Wa Bongo instead of examining our issues
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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You have to laugh when someone above posts ati Tanzania is dragging the EA bloc when in reality, their GDP growth over the last 10 years has been 50% higher than Kenya. If anything Kenya is trailing the EA bloc in GDP growth again because tribalism hinders us from holding government accountable. And if anything will ruin the bloc it will be the greed, corruption, tribalism and me first mentality endemic in Kenya.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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@Alba, If TZ is doing so well as you paint it,why then would they be a worried lot about the coalition of willing? At the moment,they seem desperate chasing the other EAC members down the road.If you had the chance to watch their parliament debate the issue last week,then you would know who the suitor is.As of now,KUR + SS + Ethiopia do need TZ but it's not a matter of life and death (Watch the launching of single visa custom in UK and tell who the loser here is) Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Alba wrote:I for one do not blame Tanzanians of being suspicious of Kenyans.
If you talk to Tanzanians you will find that one of their fears is that they do not want Kenya's vices exported to Tanzania.
1. According to them, Kenyans are very tribal oriented. They do not want that tribal hate exported to Tanzania where everyone lives in harmony and nobody cares whether the Prezzi is a Musukuma or Ngoni or Hehe or even Zanzibari. The first prezzi (Nyerere) was from an obscure ethnic group that has less than 100,000 people. The second was Zanzibari. Tanzanians do not care. Tanzanians genuinely get along. There is no mawinder type tribal baiting. They do not want Kenyans flooding the place and poisoning the fresh waters of inter-ethnic harmony that exists there. Because they do not care about a politcians ethnicity, they have the potential to build a better government by voting on issues and not tribalism.
2. They do not want Kenya's corruption exported to Tanzania. If you look at the issue of a common Visa, you know that corruption will be very endemic in this process. You will end up with criminal and terroristic elements such as Al Shabab getting Visas in Nairobi through bribery then gaining free entry into TZ to visit mayhem on Tanzanians.
3. Then there is the criminal element. Again Tanzania is traditionally very safe. Carjackings, muggings, burglaries etc of the type that are commonplace in Kenya are traditionally rare in TZ and when they happen, they are often committed by Kenyan criminals. With all this you understand why Tanzanians are leery of being invaded by Kenyans.
I was at a party with many Tanzanians and I told them that Kenyans bring technical expertise and know how to Tanzania and one of them told they they would sooner not have anyone from Kenya go there. In fact according to them, Kenyans can keep their technical expertise and investment.
4. One other thing they told me is that because Kenya is so dysfunctional and tribal, they think that Tanzania's GDP will surpass Kenya during our lifetimes, given that TZ is growing at a much faster rate and has recently discovered vast amounts of minerals. According to them, Kenya now wants a piece of Tanzania because they (Kenyans) are afraid that Tanzania is passing Kenya in terms of GDP.
There is an element of truth to all this but bitter and sour Kenyans would rather point a finger at Wa Bongo instead of examining our issues
You make interesting points but its their leaders who are crying foul about being left out, not Kenyan leaders. These dudes akina Museveni, Kagame, Uhuru - they have reached out to Tz. She doesn't want to play. But when the party starts she cries foul. Can't have your cake and eat it. They can keep their idyllic, insular way of life - but the rest of us we need to move on and share our talents and resources and grow together. There is nothing to fear, Rwanda, UG, Ethiopia have all had rough times in the recent past. Kenya too - with our ethnic violence. Heck, half of Somalia lives here- Kenyans go about their business all the same. You know the saying. ...if you dont make a decision, a decision is made for you? Very apropo in this case. ..
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