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Mukiri
#111 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 11:55:08 AM
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AlphDoti wrote:
What I'm going to show you below is not my view.
This is the view of Jesus (may God bless him).

Matt 10.5: After Jesus had taught his twelve disciples, he sent them out, and commanded them saying: "Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter into any city of the Samaritans. Go only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel."

NOTE: A Gentile is anybody who is not Jewish. And a Gentile includes all other mankind. So if you are not a Jew or if you are not Israeli then Jesus himself tells you that he was not sent for you.

Jacob=God changed his name to "Israel" (Soma hapa Matt 2:6)
Sons of Jacob = 12 tribes of Israel
12 tribes of Israel = House of Jacob
House of Jacob = House of Israel
Israelites = Jews
Gentiles = not Israelites
Jang'o = not Israelite
Kaleo = not Israelite
Kyuk = not Israelite
Lunje = not Israelite
Kamba = not Israelite
Masai = not Israelite
Gentile = non Iraelite

I am sorry but that is the reality.

Atleast you are reading The Holy Bible and not your fake secretive book by some fake prophet.

I like what you'd said earlier in the thread 'Friday siku ya msikiti' Your only misfortune is that Christianity had not reached that part of Europe at the time your orphan decided to make a mockery of you people.

If you can turn away from the greed of marrying any woman and simple divorce at will, you are more than welcome to any mainstream Church. Atleast you know where not to go.

Proverbs 19:21
AlphDoti
#112 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 11:59:50 AM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
tycho wrote:
Much Know wrote:
Stick to the "traditional" churches, as someone pointed out, at least they have accountability and are structured, Methodist, Anglican Church, Catholic, Nazarene, PCEA, SDA e.t.c, the pastors have studied theology, they run accountable institutions like Universities, schools, hospitals, so you know your money reaches the needy, they dont harass you for tithe, however most people claim the services are "boring" so wanaenda kuchezewa drums and guiter's inside tents by some shiny, sly, colorful, charismatic pastors start landing on sheep even gay ones now. Church service is only two hours, surely one can pay attention for two hours in a good, traditional church service, sing hymns and some local choruses without "vibrating" and speaking in tongues, being psyched into a fake frenzy, just sit listen and go home...hio steam ingine peleka disco.

There's nothing like 'traditional' Church. Even the Catholic has it's Charismatic movement. We are not talking about manners and respectability here, we are talking about life, suffering, confusion, thirst, hunger. All these people you're criticizing came from these 'traditional churches'.

We need to stop lying to ourselves, and change our ways and thinking. @Tokyo has spoken well on this regard, only that we no longer need religion. Did Christ have one? Does God have a religion? Religion comes due to lack of understanding, and poor memory but now these no longer exist. Man is free, doors are wide open.

Yet you are asking where to go! I tell you that we are all shackled up. Chained on the neck, chained on the wrists, and ankles. And our minds totally twisted. We have eyes but can't see, ears that don't hear. We are the people of darkness. But here, have some light, see the devil and repent and climb to heaven, 'church' will help no one. Traditional or post modern.

@tycho and @Much the Quran in Chapter 3:84 says:

"Say (O Muslims):
- We believe in Allah and that which has been sent down to us
- and that which has been sent down to Ibrahim (Abraham), Ismail (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Yaqub (Jacob),
- and to Al-Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)],
- and that which has been given to Musa (Moses)
- and Isa (Jesus),
- and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord.
- We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)."

Why am I inviting them to Islam?
1. Waislamu wanaaminmini M/Mungu, Vitabu vyake, Malaika, Mitume wake (Amini Yesu, Amini Ibrahim etc)
2. To avoid shaitan Quran 24:21 We are not told not to sin, but we are told not to go near sin. Prevention is better than cure
Example: Do not stay with woman before marriage. Do not go to bars and drink.
3. Rights of women - Woman is maintained (housed, clothe etc by men), She works for herself, she takes care of her husband, children, home
4. All Muslims are brothers
5. Morals and ethics i.e. Nidamu/Respect
6. Modesty i.e. Clothing - Look at how others dress (Disrepectful clothing, short skirts, the boobs)
- Look at Muslim woman cover herself
- Many people respect Muslim women coz of her brain, not coz of her body
7. Muslims rarely commit sin!! I said rarely. They rarely steal, they rarely lie etc
Mukiri
#113 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 12:00:36 PM
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Joined: 7/11/2012
Posts: 5,222
McReggae wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
McReggae wrote:
ZZE123 wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
McReggae wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
@Makelele, sasa weka ya mwenye barPray

You thrive in matusi pastor bonoko!!!

Sisemi kituSilenced

Lolest! wrote:
Njika na njika itiri maruru
If you do something unpleasant to someone then they do the same to you, you shouldn't bear a grudge


smile Sawa! Sasa weka pikcha ya mwenye barPray

Mwenye bar is a genuine business man.


Applause Applause Applause Not a con!!!!

So says the partakers of formalin and ARVs... Wolves are everywhere, is the message. So are good shepherds.


Even your chicken now got the ARVs~~~~

Now imagine the combination of Alcohol and ChickenSad

Proverbs 19:21
kamundu
#114 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 12:05:42 PM
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Location: Mashinani
@Alphadoti you are wrong again
Gentile=non believer.
Read the bible in its context.
At the time only the Jews were believers.
Peace in our Homeland.
AlphDoti
#115 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 12:08:53 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 6/20/2008
Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
Mukiri wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
What I'm going to show you below is not my view.
This is the view of Jesus (may God bless him).

Matt 10.5: After Jesus had taught his twelve disciples, he sent them out, and commanded them saying: "Go NOT into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter into any city of the Samaritans. Go only to the lost sheep of the House of Israel."

NOTE: A Gentile is anybody who is not Jewish. And a Gentile includes all other mankind. So if you are not a Jew or if you are not Israeli then Jesus himself tells you that he was not sent for you.

Jacob=God changed his name to "Israel" (Soma hapa Matt 2:6)
Sons of Jacob = 12 tribes of Israel
12 tribes of Israel = House of Jacob
House of Jacob = House of Israel
Israelites = Jews
Gentiles = not Israelites
Jang'o = not Israelite
Kaleo = not Israelite
Kyuk = not Israelite
Lunje = not Israelite
Kamba = not Israelite
Masai = not Israelite
Gentile = non Iraelite

I am sorry but that is the reality.

Atleast you are reading The Holy Bible and not your fake secretive book by some fake prophet.

I like what you'd said earlier in the thread 'Friday siku ya msikiti' Your only misfortune is that Christianity had not reached that part of Europe at the time your orphan decided to make a mockery of you people.

If you can turn away from the greed of marrying any woman and simple divorce at will, you are more than welcome to any mainstream Church. Atleast you know where not to go.

@Mukiri let's not go there.

Let me give you some little background about people like you, and your evangelists who televengalising many on TV.

1. Jimmy Sweggat, a reknown Christian evangelist, had a laugh another time on TV at the expense of the Muslims.
He said "Islam allows 4 wives, upto 4. Christianity only allows one, so I had to get the best on the first short".
So you see he says Christianity allows only one and he had to choose the best. And you know what my friend, the best was not good enough!
Look all these televengalist, all one by one they are all falling.
2. Reverend Marvin Gorman, he appears on television, televengalising millions, he was caught with a prostitute.
3. Reverend Jim Bakker, he was caught with Jessica Hahn, another prostitute.
4. Jimmy Swaggart, he goes to a prostitute average of twice a month, for his satisfaction.
5. Have you been reading the news in the last few weeks? Have you seen the way Catholic Church is on the limelight for all kinds of sexual scandals!

I say you laugh at the Muslims, it is foolish, the laugh is on you.

You see the Westerners who are bringing you all these nonesense have a problem, Americans, the British, the French, the Germans ... all of them.
To this day, there is no solution in their book! No solution! Islam gives you an answer to this problem.

So my friend, see what the Quran says, please brother. In Islam, when you have a second wife, the woman get equal rights. She has a homour. She has respect.

Nowhere in Islam say 4 wives is the best. But Islam gives permission. Infact, Quran is the only religious scripture on the face of Earth that says marry only one. You read other scripture, for Hindu, the Bible... no religious scripture say marry only one except the Quran.
AlphDoti
#116 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 12:12:31 PM
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Location: Kenya
kamundu wrote:
@Alphadoti you are wrong again
Gentile=non believer.
Read the bible in its context.
At the time only the Jews were believers.

Ok, and now tell us who is an "Israelite".
kamundu
#117 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 12:13:10 PM
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Ever asked yourself why the Christian faith is always being attacked, ridiculed, spoke badly of, has people in it who are out tarnish it , discredit it and fleece people?
Why is it that all the other faiths are not as attacked as the Christian faith?
Its because its the truth, and the devil knows it.
If you were the devil and wanted to get as many people to hell as you can- what would you do?
Wouldnt you attack the truth and even use people to cast doubts on it?

After watching that clip, I thought to myself that such pastors make it even harder for people to become genuine christians.
Peace in our Homeland.
kamundu
#118 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 12:17:01 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
kamundu wrote:
@Alphadoti you are wrong again
Gentile=non believer.
Read the bible in its context.
At the time only the Jews were believers.

Ok, and now tell us who is an "Asraelite".


israelite = descendant of Jacob later came to be known as Jews in the Roman Empire. Were the only people worshipping the one true God at the time. Hence referred to as God's people in the bible. All others were the gentiles (non believers)
Peace in our Homeland.
AlphDoti
#119 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 12:18:12 PM
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Posts: 6,275
Location: Kenya
kamundu wrote:
Ever asked yourself why the Christian faith is always being attacked, ridiculed, spoke badly of, has people in it who are out tarnish it , discredit it and fleece people?
Why is it that all the other faiths are not as attacked as the Christian faith?
Its because its the truth, and the devil knows it.
If you were the devil and wanted to get as many people to hell as you can- what would you do?
Wouldnt you attack the truth and even use people to cast doubts on it?

After watching that clip, I thought to myself that such pastors make it even harder for people to become genuine christians.

@Kamundu now you're thinking. This brings me to my second point.

Matt 15.24: A Canaanite woman came to Jesus saying: My daughter is sick with a demon. Jesus did not answer. After her persistence, he answered and said: I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The lady, in spite of being told the above, persisted in her plea for help. Jesus then said: It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.

The lady was not to be outdone so she answered: True Lord! Yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their master’s table.

Jesus then said: O woman! Great is your faith. Go and it will be done as you desired.

Here Jesus makes the distinction between his message, his doctrine:
1. the bread for the children of Israel (this was the message)
2. and his miracles which are the crumbs that fall from the master’s table (doctrine).
He also makes a distinction between the sheep of the house of Israel and dogs of the Gentiles.

The Canaanite woman was not interested in the message, the bread.
She was interested in the crumbs, the miracle, and the cure for her daughter’s condition.
And Jesus said let it be done as she desired.

Jesus is impressing on the people that he was not sent for humankind (the dogs); he was sent for the Israelites only (the sheep)

Let’s now see what the Quran has to say about this issue.

Quran 3:48-49: And Allah will teach Jesus the Book and the Wisdom, the Taurat and the Injeel, and will make him a messenger to the children of Israel.

IMPORTANT: from this verse in the Quran we come to know that the Book of Jesus was called the Injeel:
One Book by One Author: ALLAH, delivered to the Israelites by One Prophet: Isa ibni Maryam (Jesus), may Allah bless him, not the Bible.
The Bible is a collection of books by more than 40 different authors. Who collected these books together is anyone’s guess.

So on this one, both the Bible and the Quran say the same thing: Jesus was a messenger to the Israelites.
AlphDoti
#120 Posted : Monday, November 04, 2013 12:21:14 PM
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Joined: 6/20/2008
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kamundu wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
kamundu wrote:
@Alphadoti you are wrong again
Gentile=non believer.
Read the bible in its context.
At the time only the Jews were believers.

Ok, and now tell us who is an "Asraelite".


israelite = descendant of Jacob later came to be known as Jews in the Roman Empire. Were the only people worshipping the one true God at the time. Hence referred to as God's people in the bible. All others were the gentiles (non believers)

Good. So descendants of Jacob were Israelites. What about those not descended from Jacob, what were they? Second question, and who were the "Samaritans"?
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