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Mukiri
#51 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 6:08:49 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:

...2nd question, what is its genesis? Was it all written by one man, he of peace be upon him?

There is no Genesis in the Quran. And for your information God never sent down a book called Genesis. Instead, God sent down a book called Torah or Taurati, which was given to Moses.

It was the Romans, under the leadership of Constantine the great, who came up with these ideas when they changed the Bible several years after Jesus went to heaven. They split the Torah into 5 books, where all stories of creation were put under one title Genesis. Basically, the Jews divided this book into many parts.

Also, during the Council of Nicaea, they votted for many other ideas, which were not there before.
Then they destroyed all original Scrolls. No traces of them now!! That's when people protested and this gve rise to Protestants.

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Haiyah, Imam!! You are getting lost!Shame on you Very lost, this thread is purely about Koran. Your issues with the Bible, which has been translated to a language you can understand, unlike your Koran, wachana nayo... for now.

What is the GENESIS OF THE KORAN. Yaani, Koran ilitoka wapi? Do you recognize the law handed down to Moses too?

Proverbs 19:21
Mukiri
#52 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 7:10:03 PM
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Question 11 Quran? Koran?d'oh!

Proverbs 19:21
Lolest!
#53 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 7:13:17 PM
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murchr wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ama matharau hii ilikuwa uchokozi

EVIL!! And you mock @Masukuma about his stolen car... @Madam Admin, wacha kulala bwana! Hapa kuna ka-deemoni ka mayakos. I doubt even the muslims want it.


WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? MOCK MASUKUSH? WHAT IS WRONG WITH ASKING MASUKUSH ABOUT HIS CAR? IF YOU HAVE A BONE TO PICK WITH ME BRING IT ON....THROW THOSE PUNCHES BUT STOP DRAGGING PEOPLE WITH YOU.

why are you shocked @murchr? Hii mambo tumezoea!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Mukiri
#54 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 7:44:11 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
murchr wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ama matharau hii ilikuwa uchokozi

EVIL!! And you mock @Masukuma about his stolen car... @Madam Admin, wacha kulala bwana! Hapa kuna ka-deemoni ka mayakos. I doubt even the muslims want it.


WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? MOCK MASUKUSH? WHAT IS WRONG WITH ASKING MASUKUSH ABOUT HIS CAR? IF YOU HAVE A BONE TO PICK WITH ME BRING IT ON....THROW THOSE PUNCHES BUT STOP DRAGGING PEOPLE WITH YOU.

why are you shocked @murchr? Hii mambo tumezoea!

Yenyewe you two are possessed... You don't have Wazua friends that you can spend time with?
Go discuss sports, politics or somethingPray

Proverbs 19:21
Lolest!
#55 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 7:51:10 PM
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Rorest! Sasa nimekuwa na madeemoni? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly sing'oki ng'o!
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
murchr
#56 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 8:31:15 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
murchr wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ama matharau hii ilikuwa uchokozi

EVIL!! And you mock @Masukuma about his stolen car... @Madam Admin, wacha kulala bwana! Hapa kuna ka-deemoni ka mayakos. I doubt even the muslims want it.


WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? MOCK MASUKUSH? WHAT IS WRONG WITH ASKING MASUKUSH ABOUT HIS CAR? IF YOU HAVE A BONE TO PICK WITH ME BRING IT ON....THROW THOSE PUNCHES BUT STOP DRAGGING PEOPLE WITH YOU.

why are you shocked @murchr? Hii mambo tumezoea!

Yenyewe you two are possessed... You don't have Wazua friends that you can spend time with?
Go discuss sports, politics or somethingPray


This is what you've been doing? Tafuta tembe zako umeze something is not right somewhere. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Mukiri
#57 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 9:03:05 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Rorest! Sasa nimekuwa na madeemoni? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly sing'oki ng'o!

murchr wrote:
This is what you've been doing? Tafuta tembe zako umeze something is not right somewhere. Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Okei then, Welcomesmile We all might learn something.

Proverbs 19:21
AlphDoti
#58 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 9:57:33 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:

...1st question, what is your holy book divided into?...

First @Mukiri, I'm not imam, imam is leader position in Islam. I'm just a felow wazua.

As regards your 1st question, the Quran is divided into 30 parts, and 114 suras (called chapters), 558 sections, and 6666 verses.
The Quran cannot be translated. The result of any translation is not the glorious Quran, that inimitable symphony the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstacy. Because the translation in general fail to convey the reasl sense, spirit and delicacy of the original. This is because English terms are generally inadequate to express the basic concepts of Quran such as "Abd" and "Rab" or "Rahmaan" and "Raheem" or "Ahad" and "Samad" and others.

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Im no Pastor neither. A Pastor is a leader position in Christianity, Im just a fellow Wazuan.

question 10, Doesn't this issue of translation make you feel that Arabic is a special language superior to any other and hence you can't mix with us?

And a way of hiding it from public scrutiny?

As regards your question 10, about Quran translation.

You can buy yourself a copy of the Quran in English or Kiswahili from 'Quran House' on Mfangano Street. Or at 'Jamia Mosque Bookshop' in town. No one will ask you any question.

So for you, you can read the English or Kiswahili translation of Quran.

So you are allowed to access the translation which is available in many different langauges today. You are allowed to get copy of Quran if your intentions are good and you reasonably confident that you will not disrespect the copy. Because if you don't touch it how can you find the truth in it?

I hope that answers your quesion.
Mukiri
#59 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 10:27:46 PM
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AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
Mukiri wrote:

...1st question, what is your holy book divided into?...

First @Mukiri, I'm not imam, imam is leader position in Islam. I'm just a felow wazua.

As regards your 1st question, the Quran is divided into 30 parts, and 114 suras (called chapters), 558 sections, and 6666 verses.
The Quran cannot be translated. The result of any translation is not the glorious Quran, that inimitable symphony the very sounds of which move men to tears and ecstacy. Because the translation in general fail to convey the reasl sense, spirit and delicacy of the original. This is because English terms are generally inadequate to express the basic concepts of Quran such as "Abd" and "Rab" or "Rahmaan" and "Raheem" or "Ahad" and "Samad" and others.

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Im no Pastor neither. A Pastor is a leader position in Christianity, Im just a fellow Wazuan.

question 10, Doesn't this issue of translation make you feel that Arabic is a special language superior to any other and hence you can't mix with us?

And a way of hiding it from public scrutiny?

As regards your question 10, about Quran translation.

You can buy yourself a copy of the Quran in English or Kiswahili from 'Quran House' on Mfangano Street. Or at 'Jamia Mosque Bookshop' in town. No one will ask you any question.

So for you, you can read the English or Kiswahili translation of Quran.

So you are allowed to access the translation which is available in many different langauges today. You are allowed to get copy of Quran if your intentions are good and you reasonably confident that you will not disrespect the copy. Because if you don't touch it how can you find the truth in it?

I hope that answers your quesion.

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Two small contradictions there? Are you sure of the information you are sharing? One time it cannot be translated, another time its available? One time no one will ask you questions, another you are allowed if intention is right?d'oh!

Why should intention even matter? If I have money and want a copy, I should be able to get it, no? Maybe it should be on every hotel bedside, besides the Bible? Why is it shrouded in mystery?

But ISOKEI, atleast we are heading somewhere, albeit in baby steps.smile

Proverbs 19:21
AlphDoti
#60 Posted : Friday, November 01, 2013 10:32:33 PM
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Mukiri wrote:
Question 11 Quran? Koran?d'oh!

The asnwer your quesiton 11.

I checked out the original spelling in Arabic and it is 'Quran' with a 'Q'. I think the origin of "koran" with 'K' is American, who mispronounce "Koran".

As far as spelling is concerned, people should use the one that better reflects the original pronunciation i.e. Quran or Qur'an.

I checked out and it seems the media and some public American documents like to use Koran.
They say it's because of the American audience, what is common to their audience.

Whatever you use, I'll be okay with it.

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