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What did Jesus really look like?
Pedes
#31 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2013 8:34:30 AM
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chevapravatdumrong wrote:


The last picture, is that how Eskimo's see Jesus?
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masukuma
#32 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2013 8:57:14 AM
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Tokyo wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
We have seen thousands of pictures of Jesus that are not same, and each claims to be Jesus.
Did Jesus have many faces?

These are just imagination. I'm yet to see some pictures showing Jesus as black.


That will mark end of Christianity

Dark-skinned pictures of Jesus have been known from the earliest times. The picture below is a painting from the 1960s, artist and source unknown.

In 2004, Jesus was voted greatest black icon of all time by the New Nation newspaper, which prompted a debate about Jesus’ skin colour. “Despite the common depictions in Western cultures of Jesus as a blond, blue-eyed hippy looking man, all reasonable evidence points to the fact that Jesus could not have been of Scandinavian extraction and certainly was a brotha of colour,” said the paper.

The debate is not new. Throughout the 20th century, black theologians argued that showing Jesus as a white-skinned European is not only historically inaccurate, but profoundly alienating for non-Europeans. Some 20 million Africans were taken as slaves to the New World by Europeans between the 16th and 19th centuries, and images of a white Jesus reinforce the idea that Christianity is a “white man’s religion”.

Black theologians argue that since Jesus came to bring good news to the poor and oppressed – to set them free from their chains – he should be shown looking like the poor and oppressed, and not like the world’s rich and powerful.

History is on the side of a dark-skinned Jesus. Some of the oldest images of Christ show him with the dark, olive-coloured skin of Mediterranean people. One very early mosaic image of Jesus (at top right) has him with very dark skin, and the images of Ethiopian Christianity – one of the oldest branches of the Christian church – show Jesus as a black person, with an African hairstyle and beard (see picture, bottom right).

The main picture, above, is the polar opposite of the classic white image of Jesus. What do you think of this image of black Jesus?

Theologian James Cone writes about the black Jesus:
Quote:

“The ‘raceless’ American Christ has a light skin, wavy brown hair, and sometimes – wonder of wonders – blue eyes. For whites to find him with big lips and kinky hair is as offensive as it was for the Pharisees to find him partying with tax-collectors. But whether whites want to hear it or not, Christ is black, baby, with all of the features which are so detestable to white society.”


Cone believes it is important for black people to view Jesus as black:
Quote:

“It’s very important because you’ve got a lot of white images of Christ. In reality, Christ was not white, not European. That’s important to the psychic and to the spiritual consciousness of black people who live in a ghetto and in a white society in which their lord and savior looks just like people who victimize them. God is whatever color God needs to be in order to let people know they’re not nobodies, they’re somebodies.”


This image, from a church in Rome, dates from AD530.

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tycho
#33 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2013 8:59:29 AM
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kysse wrote:
@ Tycho,God made man.-Adam. I am a descendant but still a creation.so we are all creations.

God walked on earth as Jesus to redeem you and I.
After the resurrection, He left us with a comforter-The holy spirit.

The spirit works through man the same way He worked through Jesus to do God's work on earth.

God calls us to be worshippers. Worship is not kneeling and raising hands but daily living.
Worshiping God is the highest calling.

ok I am done here.




I'm surprised you have to tell me that you're done here. It's like we are into the 'it doesn't matter' zone or some similar zone. But at least that doesn't mean I shouldn't respond.

I'll first express what you've said in equivalent terms.

Creator, and creation: the latter is specifically designed to worship the former.

Then it happens that the creation, refuses to worship the Creator. So the Creator takes the form of the creation, so that the creation might go back to worshipping. But he realizes that the creation can't pull it. So he leaves them a helper.

Yes. It's better to be done with this.


tycho
#34 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2013 9:05:10 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Tokyo wrote:
AlphDoti wrote:
We have seen thousands of pictures of Jesus that are not same, and each claims to be Jesus.
Did Jesus have many faces?

These are just imagination. I'm yet to see some pictures showing Jesus as black.


That will mark end of Christianity

Dark-skinned pictures of Jesus have been known from the earliest times. The picture below is a painting from the 1960s, artist and source unknown.

In 2004, Jesus was voted greatest black icon of all time by the New Nation newspaper, which prompted a debate about Jesus’ skin colour. “Despite the common depictions in Western cultures of Jesus as a blond, blue-eyed hippy looking man, all reasonable evidence points to the fact that Jesus could not have been of Scandinavian extraction and certainly was a brotha of colour,” said the paper.

The debate is not new. Throughout the 20th century, black theologians argued that showing Jesus as a white-skinned European is not only historically inaccurate, but profoundly alienating for non-Europeans. Some 20 million Africans were taken as slaves to the New World by Europeans between the 16th and 19th centuries, and images of a white Jesus reinforce the idea that Christianity is a “white man’s religion”.

Black theologians argue that since Jesus came to bring good news to the poor and oppressed – to set them free from their chains – he should be shown looking like the poor and oppressed, and not like the world’s rich and powerful.

History is on the side of a dark-skinned Jesus. Some of the oldest images of Christ show him with the dark, olive-coloured skin of Mediterranean people. One very early mosaic image of Jesus (at top right) has him with very dark skin, and the images of Ethiopian Christianity – one of the oldest branches of the Christian church – show Jesus as a black person, with an African hairstyle and beard (see picture, bottom right).

The main picture, above, is the polar opposite of the classic white image of Jesus. What do you think of this image of black Jesus?

Theologian James Cone writes about the black Jesus:
Quote:

“The ‘raceless’ American Christ has a light skin, wavy brown hair, and sometimes – wonder of wonders – blue eyes. For whites to find him with big lips and kinky hair is as offensive as it was for the Pharisees to find him partying with tax-collectors. But whether whites want to hear it or not, Christ is black, baby, with all of the features which are so detestable to white society.”


Cone believes it is important for black people to view Jesus as black:
Quote:

“It’s very important because you’ve got a lot of white images of Christ. In reality, Christ was not white, not European. That’s important to the psychic and to the spiritual consciousness of black people who live in a ghetto and in a white society in which their lord and savior looks just like people who victimize them. God is whatever color God needs to be in order to let people know they’re not nobodies, they’re somebodies.”


This image, from a church in Rome, dates from AD530.



Now I'll draw him with four different faces.
Nyaiira
#35 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2013 12:38:32 PM
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Jesus was Jew...the real ancestors should look something like the palestinians or Iraqis...the current crop of many Jews however have intermarried with the Europeans they may retain their names but not feature
masukuma
#36 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2013 1:01:14 PM
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Nyaiira wrote:
Jesus was Jew...the real ancestors should look something like the palestinians or Iraqis...the current crop of many Jews however have intermarried with the Europeans they may retain their names but not feature

Nott jews or arabs/palestinians today but rather jews 2000 years ago.
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tycho
#37 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2013 1:04:25 PM
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If it really matters how Jesus looked like, then we must identify and recognize him resurrected. Something that even those who were closest to him could hardly do.

Was he a Jew then? Could his Jewishness be shown? Not even Peter could hold against Paul. And neither did the Jews recognize him.

So what does it mean to say he was a Jew?

What was he? How did he really look like?
masukuma
#38 Posted : Monday, October 28, 2013 6:39:57 PM
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tycho wrote:
If it really matters how Jesus looked like, then we must identify and recognize him resurrected. Something that even those who were closest to him could hardly do.

Was he a Jew then? Could his Jewishness be shown? Not even Peter could hold against Paul. And neither did the Jews recognize him.

So what does it mean to say he was a Jew?

What was he? How did he really look like?

but we do agree that he was not a blue eyed northerner
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jokes
#39 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:10:43 PM
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2000 years ago Jews were black Africans including Jesus it's in the bible and historic books. Remember Egypt colonized the Arab world for a very very long time and they were black. Also if you look at some of the old paintings of early Christians in Egypt you are left in no doubt which skin colour they were.
I also disagree with the effeminate look of Jesus. It cannot be real based on historical facts. Palestine where they all lived was brutally colonized by the Romans and heavily taxed. Food was scarce and people lived in abject poverty and others in servitude if not slavery. It's very difficult to associate the romanticised image with the reality of the times. Jesus was a black tough man. Scruffy looking and ugly to boot and he was a revolutionary anyway you look at it.
urstill1
#40 Posted : Tuesday, November 26, 2013 8:14:04 PM
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Like Ethiopians
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